• davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      7 days ago

      Socialist countries aren’t communist, you call them pre-communist which highlights my point.

      This is just quibbling over semantics & context. When communists run a state, yes that state is technically socialist/pre-communist. That’s why those states have “Socialist” in their names and not “Communist.” There is never going to be a “communist state,” because definitionally communism’s long-term end-goal is a classless society. And since we define the state as a system which protects the interests of one economic class over others, such a society would definitionally be stateless.

      So when someone—assuming they know what they’re talking about—says “communist state/country,” they mean a communist-led socialist state.

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
          12·
          7 days ago

          Sophomoric is the word

          It’s a broken culture that makes people act like you; professorial on topics they objectively know less about than their ‘audience’

          At what age did you collapse entirely into your mind palace? When did you decide you knew enough to extrapolate what the outside world was like through pure platonic reasoning?

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      10·
      7 days ago

      Communism is both a mode of production, and a process. Socialist countries run by communist parties are properly communist in that they are building communism in the real world. This is why Marx states in The German Ideology that

      Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

      The point isn’t that socialist countries would be in that higher mode of production if they weren’t under siege, or that they aren’t sufficiently communist, but that they must build up state power to resist this siege, and as a consequence this state power sometimes commits excesses and mistakes.