• HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    21 hours ago

    This is why I don’t update things that don’t need updates. Untill I switched to Linux I had been using the same version for like a decade.

    Also I’d imagine the American government is doing the exact same shit. Or rather Israel is doing it in behalf of the American government

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    If I recall correctly this is the second time this has happened to N++. Fool me once… can’t get fooled again.

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    And work bosses saw a news story on this and banned the app outright :( can anyone suggest a replacement that is not paid and has features useful for searching lots of large logs files quickly for keywords?

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    China, Russia, the US, fucking Israel. They all piss me off so fucking much. Can’t we live in a sane world just for a single fucking day?

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    Yikes… i guess i am confused though. What data was being sent through this channel? What did they get from people while it happened and why did it take 2 months past them stopping it to finally make a release? I love the app, but this sounds really bad.

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      The software itself, and the devs, have little to nothing to do with this besides detecting the issue. Which was not obvious, since (it seems) the attack was targeted at specific IPs/hosts/places. It likely worked transparently without alteration for most users, probably including the devs themselves.

      It also would only affects updates through the built-in updater; if you disabled that, and/or installed through some package managers, you would not have been affected.

      A disturbing situation indeed. I assume some update regarding having adequately digitally signed updates were done (at least, I hope… I don’t really use N++ anymore). But the reality is, some central infrastructure are vulnerable to people with a lot of resources, and actually plugging those holes requires a bit of involvement from the users, depending how far one would go. Even if everything’s signed, you have to either know the signatory’s public key beforehand or get a certificate that you trust. And that trust is derived from an authority you trust (either automatically through common CA lists, or because you manually added it to your system). And these authorities themselves can become a weak point when a state actor butts in, meaning the only good solution is double checking those certificates with the actual source, and actually blocking everything when they change, which is somewhat tedious… and so on and so on.

      Of course, some people do that; when security matters a LOT. But for most people, basic measures should be enough… usually.

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      From my understanding: Basically the attackers could reply to your version check request (usually done automatically) and tell N++ that there were a new version available. If you then approved the update dialogue, N++ would download and execute the binary from the update link that the server sent you. But this didn’t necessarily need to be a real update, it could have been any binary since neither the answer to the update check nor the download link were verified by N++

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        Thats what i was thinking, but there is no mention on if this did happen and if it did what was compromised or allowed to happen.

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            Expanding on this: the exploit was against their domain name, redirecting selected update requests away from the notepad++ servers. The software itself didn’t validate that the domain actually points to notepad++ servers, and the notepad++ update servers would not see any information that would tell them what was happening.

            Likely they picked some specific developers with a known public IP, and only used this to inject those specific people with malware.

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                That’s what they say they rolled out, after: “Within Notepad++ itself, WinGup (the updater) was enhanced in v8.8.9 to verify both the certificate and the signature of the downloaded installer”

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      The previous release already fixed this, or evaded the issue.

      The channel was the update mechanism. Upon Notepad++ checking for updates, they were able to inject their own. So if you updated via the apps own update checker they could have misdirected you into installing something else or something modified.

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    So should we at least uninstall our current Notepad++ and then download a new version? What else should we do, the post really doesn’t offer any advice.

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      I don’t think you’ll need to uninstall. If I’m reading the article correctly, it looks like they plugged the hole in their update process by switching hosting providers to one that’s even more hardened and secure. So requests from the updater should go to the correct place now and not the state-sponsored hacker.

      Then in about a month, the next version of notepad++ that is released will also properly validate/verify any downloaded update files from the server.

      You could also just disable the checks for updates from within the application too. Or better yet, use something like winget to handle the updates instead of the built-in updater.

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        The article literally states that should you download the latest version from their site directly and then use the installer to update manually. Who knows if those who were effected already could have something else compromising the update/install process. I wouldnt update from the built in updater until the new fix with certificate and signature verification is released.

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      Yes, that’s the safe way. Uninstall, download current version, install. That’s it.

      Outside of being compromised already where you would have to notice and fix outside of notepad anyway. But that seems unlikely given the selective attack nature the hoster was able to confirm. If you’d want to cover that you would have to know and do a lot more.

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      I would just follow their advice, download the newest version from their site directly and use the new versions installer to update manually. I would probably do the same thing when the newest version with certificate and signature verification releases, after that I would assume you should be good to go. However its probably also worth scanning your system for malware just incase you updated during the time frame the attack was live.

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    I would like to know starting from wich version should i be concerned. I haven’t updated in a while i think.

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      2 days ago

      The timeline says the attack started in June of 2025 and continued through Dec 2, 2025. If you installed, updated, or silently updated during that period you may have been targeted / compromised.

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        How would you know if you updated?

        My notepad++ is on 8.9.1 and I have no idea how it’s on that ver (ninite I think is where I sourced it…maybe it’s auto updating?)

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          Odds are you weren’t on the “targeted list”.

          If you don’t know, you’re probably auto updating.

          If you updated or installed in 2025 after June-ish, the safe thing to do is uninstall, then download from the new (theoretically more secure) website and install the new (theoretically more secure) 8.9.1.

          If you were pwned by an update during later 2025, they could disguise just about anything in your Notepad++ and its associated files - make it look perfectly normal, make it act perfectly normal, but have their own malware on your system doing… whatever it is they want it to do.

          I understand one of the things they were doing is running a proxy to carry traffic through your system, so if you see a lot of unexpected network activity (under Windoze how can you tell?) you may have been compromised. But that’s not the only thing they could have done, nobody has really analyzed the attack yet and even after they do, you might have gotten a “special” payload that the analysis team didn’t see…

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            the safe thing to do is uninstall, then download from the new (theoretically more secure) website and install the new (theoretically more secure) 8.9.1.

            That won’t rescue your system if it is already compromised though. It will just prevent it from being newly compromised in this manner.

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              True, but in this case it seems worth doing due to the relatively patient, selective nature of the attack - it would at least clean out a compromised Notepad++ if it had not spread to a wider system compromise yet.

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            Unfortunately i do work for a targeted company (we do a lot of secret squirrel stuff) in south East Asia.

            We get a lot of attacks.

            I was looking at the attack and malware they inject (there is a blog post link on the notepad++ notice) which pointed out how the attack worked. Apparently they run a service called bluetoothservice.exe. I didn’t see anything like that or any the other stuff they said gets created.

            But then again finding malware isn’t my bag so who knows.

            Pretty sure my updates came via nanite installer so I’m hoping I wasn’t targeted.

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      Every version before the previous one.

      If you haven’t updated you were not vulnerable to the update hijacking.