anyone who objects to mass surveillance obviously hates puppies
You got me, but actually I mostly want the christian families and their children to be sad
This is horrifying.
Should we buy ring nodes and feed them poisoned video feed?
Benn Jordan was recently doing work on poisoned audio files, making it so models are damaged by ingesting his music. I believe the same should be possible with video streams.
They probably won’t be training on the poisoned nodes, but they sure as hell will be wasting power on them. That makes it more expensive to do this stuff, no?
For me personally, I wouldn’t consider it worth the risk. You still have to make an Amazon account, hand over your personal information, let their cameras onto your network (of course, you can VLAN them) and… how many people are gonna do this to make it effective?
It just seems playing right into their hands, I’d rather outright boycott anything Amazon (I understand easier for some than others) than waste my time, money and effort into protecting my personal info against a user hostile company.
I agree, that’s the most practical approach and I wouldn’t blame anyone for choosing it. For me personally, though, I’m a little pissed off that these companies get to have such inhostile environment for their shenanigans. It’s like a playground for them, where they get to happily A|B test the various surveillance state softwares that will eventually get sold to oppressive regimes (just like Flock). I’m at a point where I’m willing to spend a not-so-insignificant portion of my time, energy, and know-how on inventing a little bit more friction for them. It shouldn’t be so easy for them to fuck us. They didn’t even offer dinner, first.
I wonder how hard it would be to rework this advertisements to be what it’s actually used for:
- Immigrants spotted! Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
- Automatic License Plate Recognition with Flock (now a partner), found a “criminal”. Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
- etc.
Wait is flock seriously now partnered with ring?
Has been since October
Gross, I had no clue. Now I might need to find replacements.
Not might.
Have to.
Ring was already “partnered” pretty closely with law enforcement, this is more of a consolidation than a new development. I’ve been saying this since they first floated the concept of CLOUD BASED SURVEILLANCE DOORBELLS but the whole idea is fucked. If you really feel a need for monitoring like that, set it up yourself. A corporation handling it is worse than nothing
No this is fine it’ll only be used to find lost puppies I’m sure.
The next step they’ll take is hooking into the amber alert system to find missing kids. Then, it will be finding “criminals,” which applies to basically everyone thanks to NPSM-7.
The “If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I care” argument has predictably aged like sour milk.
The fun part is that they’re already at the “criminals” stage and we have been for a while. The marketing team is just backing into it and manufacturing consent.
Yup, this is effective propaganda used to make people feel good about the devices.
They were hinting at its use for that in this ad by showing a young child right away.
The “If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I care” argument has predictably aged like sour milk.
has it? the kind of critical thought that easily dispels this fallacy isn’t being applied right now on a global scale as evidenced by the fact that people are blaming russia for the epstein illuminati ring.
Not sure that I’m following/understanding. I’m saying that skeptics of the “if I’ve got nothing to hide” argument were correct. You do have something to hide if the people in power suddenly change the definition of what’s legal.
the “i have nothing to hide” argument is easily dispelled by several avenues of critical thought; including the one your comment points out.
this sort of critical thought is not being applied to the russia/epstein narrative that’s taking hold on american politics right now.
Ok but you can just rewrite this meme with your deauth packets on the left side and Wifi 6 on the right side.
So still effective right now. I wardrobe as a hobby when I get bored and there’s very few APs ready for this. We’ve got a few years.
wardrobe
did you mean war drive? are people still war driving?
I did, but that’s hilarious so I’m gonna keep it.
I commute and travel a good amount, it gives be something interesting to do 🤷♂️
I hate it so much that these dystopian devices are all advertised as a positive thing and, worst of all, that there are millions of dumbasses going “well that sounds like a great idea!”
It’s ads like this that make people think it’s really great, without ever considering the surveillance aspect. Probably some people who now want to get Ring cameras, just so they can help track down lost dogs. Instead, it will be used to hunt down escaping humans.
“they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Yes I know the issues with the founding father narrative. However, I think that this quote is very true and applies to the situation we are currently facing.
There should be a version where they’re brown and at the end they suddenly get bags put over their heads by Trump’s paramilitary.
Are there really enough braindead consumers out there to make this viable?
Based on what I’ve seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
I honestly don’t think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.And if you are thinking ‘how can people be that stupid’, I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can’t read.
So yes, it’s the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.
Yes.
Nextdoor is full of morons sharing their ring videos and then going, “Well my videos aren’t being shared online to Amazon because I checked the ‘privacy’ settings.”
Most people you will meet outside are brain-dead.
Sadly true
'…and we can even find YOU, anytime we want to."
That’s actually insane to advertise that Gestapo feature. I’m literally shocked - which happens (unfortunately) rarely these days. There is so much shit going on in this world
fuck those snitch ass doorbells
The only counter to this: Sousveillance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance
Inverse surveillance
Related Batman quotes:
Batman movie dialouge
from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly:
Batman: [seeing the wall of monitors for the first time at the Applied Sciences division in Wayne Enterprises] Beautiful, isn’t it?
Lucius Fox: Beautiful… unethical… dangerous. You’ve turned every cellphone in Gotham into a microphone.
Batman: And a high-frequency generator-receiver.
Lucius Fox: You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city. With half the city feeding you sonar, you can image all of Gotham. This is wrong.
Batman: I’ve gotta find this man, Lucius.
Lucius Fox: At what cost?
Batman: The database is null-key encrypted. It can only be accessed by one person.
Lucius Fox: This is too much power for one person.
Batman: That’s why I gave it to you. Only you can use it.
Lucius Fox: Spying on 30 million people isn’t part of my job description.
What brand do people recommend to switch family members off to? I self host my security but for other family that aren’t tech savvy at all which brands are good for privacy and intuitive to use?
Reolink. The cameras record to a SD card and the app connects to the cameras over the local network. The app can connect to the cameras remotely through Reolink’s servers for convenience, but it’s not necessary to use their cloud services. I block mine from the internet in the firewall.
this is precisely my setup too.
Wife can even get to them when she’s out because she has tailscale connecting her phone to the home network via my headscale control node, not that she could tell you that
suggest a peep hole and a door knocker, don’t over comolicate shit, and have a little faith in other people
I was with you until the last part
Which mass surveillance fear product?
There isn’t one.
