Small sample set aside, the performance differences here are much bigger than I’ve seen in previous linux comparisons. Something has to be off right? Curious if anyone is able to reproduce these results.

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    Normies aren’t meant to be using Arch. Go get that popular piece of shite distro instead. Or better get Fedora or popos. Or Mint. Or whatever the next guy recommends. Like, FreeBSD, or better OpenBSD.

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        Well, the FreeBSD and OpenBSD was more of a joke :) but, a normie just expects things to be very Windowsish, and when it’s not and even simpler, they’re getting lost for no real reason. It’s just different to what they’re used to. However, I’ve seen people not familiar with Windows well enough handling Unix-y interfaces okayish.

        To me, installing Arch is just very easy, as I’ve done it many times, and use the system for close to decade soon. It’s formatting your disks, adding that to a config — /etc/fstab — which is done with a simple command. Then you mount that disk of yours, pacstrap there (which means installing basic packages), chroot there, and do some more settings like setting locale and a hostname (and I guess missing to do it won’t brick anything, so you can skip or forget), perhaps something else you need to setup anyway, like creating a user. Install a bootloader, reboot. Done.

        FreeBSD is simple, but to me it’s not that simple, as its installation process is next next next, I don’t even remember how I installed it. Under the hood, I guess that’s all the same.

        By the way, I thought it’s worth mentioning it’s obvious that next next next approach is simpler to anyone. It’s that Arch’s way is simpler to someone who needs more control for some reason, or install these things often enough to justify that approach. It’s wrong that Arch has this vibe of ‘too difficult to even install.’ It’s not that difficult. What is is to know what you need to install and why. That takes years of using that system, so at first you follow some guide not really understanding what you’re doing.

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            I think FreeBSD is actually great, I’m looking for a reason to install it on anything just to have it around.

            And Gentoo too. I’m currently on a MacBook Pro (2014, Intel era) with Arch Linux. Weirdly, the hardware support is great, and it feels like even better than macOS. For some reason, some other MacBooks I have are much worse with some things Linux. Eg sleep and battery life estimation. But apart from that, they’re better than macOS, as they’re long obsolete.

            I want to have Gentoo somewhere, and I’m just not sure where to start. It surely have to be a separate machine to not hurry with the install and setting it up. (However, I expect that most if not all my user configs would just work, assuming the same software stack.) But that machine is expected to be powerful too!

            At this point, I think of getting a MacBook Air M1, perhaps the next year. Or maybe even years, depending on real life events, that’s rather a cool toy to me at this point than a real need. But ideally, I’d like to have it when being obsolete (not supported with macOS updates) and Neo having at least two or better three generations. Which would make its price to value very attractive. I thought of having Gentoo there, since Arch is not supported, and I’m not a big fan of Arch Arm project.

            I would like to use Gentoo so much, I thought of actually getting a used somewhat broken MacBook Air (I’ve seen one with partially broken screen for like a bit over €100), and use it as a test machine. Then, just buy another one, in a better shape when it would enter its obsolete state, which would inevitably happen at some sooner rather than later point.

            I expect it would be just perfect for Gentoo. FreeBSD, I have no idea. Thought of getting a tiny PC just for it, without any purpose in mind. Perhaps I’d find one along the way. I’ve researched briefly, and there are either Mac minis of 2014 with a very nice idle energy consumption and price locally (about €100 or even less). Or some N100 Chinese similar computer, but I have no idea about the hardware support.

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                Oh wow, Solus is something I have never heard of. Or even if I did, I don’t remember. I gave it a quick glance, I it’s a Linux distro, so nothing too niche, right? Why did you pick it? I’d really love to find some blogs where people write on their daily experience with some things Linux. (I’m trying to start one, we’ll see how it goes.)

                MacBook Air M1, it should mostly work with Asahi Linux project. The hardware is really impressive. I thought of getting a modern ThinkPad instead, but it’s just an ugly heavy moist machine in comparison. From a laptop, I don’t need a tank. I have that tank in my primary desktop computer. A laptop is more of a lightweight toy to me. So that was my thinking behind the MacBook Air M1 running Gentoo idea. I expect it to be very well supported as it’s probably the best value you can get (assuming used, and assuming 10/10 repeatability is not a concern).

                I have a used Microsoft Surface RT3 (they would become Go line with the next model) running Arch Linux. I don’t even consider that device to sport Gentoo. I’m not well versed with Gentoo, but I remember you can actually compile from another machine, so theoretically I can use Gentoo even on a Raspberry Pi (well, that Surface I mentioned isn’t really far from my Raspberry Pi 2B). But to get there, I need to learn all those things :) It’s more like a chicken and egg problem now. I have a somewhat powerful PC (if we can call a quad core Intel i7 that), which I could use as a Gentoo compile machine. But it runs Arch and it’s my primary machine, so migrating it to Gentoo would not be very easy.

                Theoretically, an M1 Air is even more powerful than that. So, a perfect storm. All that is theoretical at this point though :)

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                    Thanks! A great read it was! Do you have / plans to have a blog by the way? You write quite well and interesting to read.

                    See you around, have a great day.