• حمید پیام عباسی@crazypeople.online
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      1 month ago

      In the 1971 pic those on the top are bazaari, women of the rich merchant class who are the ones that paid to crush the student socialist rebellion and bring in the Ayatollah from Qom.

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      This is framing of women in western clothing as more progressive vs women in hijab/chador is incredibly racist. It relies on Islamophobic stereotypes that play Islam as a less advanced civilization when compared to the rest. Please do not forget that the Iranian revolution that got rid of the shah was an internal, peoples revolution against a hostile empires marionette. The ayatollah was the synthesis of contradictions inherent to Iranian society and depicting current Iranian society as regressive compared to the Iranian society under the shah is effectively saying that westerners “know better” what the Iranian people need than the Iranian people themselves. This is racist. Whatever point you want to make against theocracy is lost in all the racist baggage that comes with the image.

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        Not discussing the racism part but the Iranian revolution was actually two-folds, like the Russian revolution. The first revolution was brought by a vast array of people, from islamists to communists. Many people hoped to keep their progressive way of life and to get political freedom on top if it. Way they got is a second revolution in the form of a swift consolidation of Khomeini’s power and a theocracy, with political assassinations and vice squads.

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          What ever problems the Iranians have is their own to figure out and solve unless they explicitly ask for help, and certainly not from Imperialist Liberals from the Global North playing white savior for the “poor, helpless, primitive SaVaGeS” in the form of more Western bombs dropping on their Childrens heads to “free” them (from this mortal coil) like you’re doing them a favor and should thank you for it. /s

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            @Jabril@hexbear.net

            Something I notice about all these spaces. When I post facts about Islamic resistance, instead of people asking something “wow thats actually incredible, do you know how they did this incredible thing?” We end up stuck in a pattern of having literally the same conversations trying to explain basic concepts.

            I know that I’m impressed when I see these statistics. Maybe thats because hijab made me stupid and oppressed 🤪 🫠

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                  You see, a democracy 😇 is when a country is operating as a forward military base for the US empire. 15 military bases and 55,000 US troops in Japan and 28,000 US troops in S Korea are just there to protect democracy 😇 from authoritarian China 😡 And DPRK 😡

                  And fake settler colony that has been committing genocide with US-made weapons since its invention is also very good democracy 😇

                  Anyways. Comparing health outcomes of countries that are economic beneficiaries of imperialist looting with a country under siege from imperialism is not making the point you think it is making.

                  Please take your zionism and leave.

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                  If you’re going to say Iraq and Pakistan are dictatorships then you’d have to be an unashamed hypocrite to say Japan, functionality a one party state, isn’t.

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      Two pics mean nothing bro, do you think there are not women like in the picture above currently? And if that were the case, what do you think it happened in Iran during the '70’s that caused this “issue” when it comes to religion? ahh, yeah, it’s always the us empire.

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        It don’t change anything, in any case is there a difference if a woman has the chois to wear a jihab or is forced to wear one.

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            I know this case, but it also change nothing of what I said, the difference between having the option to wear what you want and being forced to wear what other want. In extremis like in the case which you mencioned, irrelevant if it is a chador, hijab or western clothes. if it is against what the women want.

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              But you understand right that the majority of the cases where people are enforcing dress on women it is people forcing western clothing on them? Do you not understand the hypocrisy of posting an image like what you did and saying that this has to be what the women want but implying that they want the thing that is repeatedly forced on them? The people in Iran chose this government with revolution and they have a constitutional democracy, they need to be empowered to work within their system. By posting pictures of women under the Shah wearing American clothes and implying this is best you are simply supporting imperialism against them

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                Yes, I understand perfectly, but it isn’t the same. I know that society, fashion and other influences can push a women th use some clothings, but she isn’t really forced by law to do it, she always has the choice, it’s different in countries where a women is drastically punished if she don’t wear a hijab or even a burka, even if she don’t want to wear it. Sorry if YOU don’t see the difference.