What if we start killing board members instead of just CEOs, you know, the puppet masters along with the puppet.
While we are at it, also any billionaires to
There’s no shortage of steel that I’m aware of, and chain production is entirely automated at this point. So why not?
You can’t murder your way out of a situation you didn’t murder yourself into.
Not with that attitude.
Technically speaking humanity did murder itself out of feudalism and into capitalism
They started it, we just need to finish it.
This is my biggest frustration with these posts. We might not like it, but CEOs are still working class. Most of their wealth is derived from a paycheck. They aren’t even the owning class. They’re rich AF, but they’re a symptom more than a problem.
CEOs are not working class dumbass hahahaha
Working class means your primary wealth generation tool is selling your labor. The compensation plans vary widely, but I think most CEOs are earning most of their wealth through a salary vs returns on things they own.
You can hate it all you want, but that’s what working class means.
They’re mostly paid in stock options.
According to Forbes, on average 60% of CEO compensation is equity. In short, I was wrong. My bad!
Ok genius, what’s the"labor" provided by a CEO? How do horizontal organizations like cooperative manage without that piece of labor? Do you know what a traitor of it class is? It’s the reason police don’t get the working class title either, they are watchdogs that provide no labor value, just means of control for the ruling class. Fuck capitalism, CEOs, the police, and everyone collaborating with oppression.
I don’t think value to society weighs into the equation, just the ratio of salary to ownership wealth gain.
There are bad people in the working class that are a net detriment to society, just as there are good people in the owning class that are a net benefit. Those good and bad deeds don’t change how they accrue wealth and therefore don’t change their class.
This working class isn’t a morality judgement, it’s a wealth ratio per individual.
answer, the question, what is the actual labor value provided to the chain by those laborers? laborers create actual value, the ruling class exploit and extract value created by others. not for society as you say, but actual you know, value, wealth. they are contributing to production or not? it’s easy to answer for real labor, mental gymnastics else. They are or are not fucking parasites of the laborers? Answer the question.
DDD let’s a go!
Hey… Boulders ain’t cheap either.
A drop of the guillotine is completely free. Just saying.
Sure. But it just doesn’t have the same fire and brimstone “wrath of an angry God” feel to it. Guillotines are quick. But if you really hate someone, you’ll go to the trouble of hauling an 800 lb boulder around just to off 'em. If you really want to show your displeasure with someone, you’ll go to the trouble of loading a giant rock on a boat and hauling it an hour offshore. It’s “I hate you so much I’m willing to go to this amount of effort!”
What about a really dull guillotine?
One that takes ten or fifteen drops to do any real damage?
I mean, yeah, but it just doesn’t have the same vibe to it. You can’t make a grandiose speech about “condemning them to the depths.” Plus it’s just much more terrifying, watching the surface of the water rise above you, as you’re pulled inexhorably down into the abyss…
Also, the water muffles the screaming!
Don’t wanna ruin the fun, but I’d argue a 100lb (to continue the weird measures) boulder would more than suffice.
It’s not about efficiency; it’s about sending a message! Bullets are a lot easier than boulders into the Sea, but they just don’t have the same vibe! Nothing says you hate someone quite as much as being willing to haul a half ton boulder a hundred miles offshore in a boat. The impracticality isn’t a bug; it’s a feature! For boulders chucked into the ocean, the bigger, the better!
Yeah sure,but…it’s 400lbs. I mean, if I did that with every person I hate…oh boy. Strongman in 2 years. World domination in 5. Am I truly ready for this responsibility? Is anyone?
Bring justice to the wicked AND get swole? Sounds like positives all around. You’ll basically be Hercules at that point!
But that’ll bring a new level of responsibility. I couldn’t just be Hercules without trying to rid the world of evil. And I already have plans for the weekend 🤨
I mean, even Hercules is allowed to take a break. In fact, self-care is a vital part of the work of any true hero! You can’t be effectively battling evil if you’re unhealthy, depressed, or sleep deprived. Take care of yourself, superfam!
Also the boulder
It’s a very neat boulder.
Pioneers used to ride those babies for miles.
That’s completely inappropriate. That boulder could be turned into a statue.
IDK. I’m thinking more a giant bronze statue of Luigi would be more appropriate. Interesting enough, those things aren’t as expensive as you might think. Some googling suggests a cost of between $25k-250k for a life sized bronze statue. That’s a lot for an individual, but well within the realm of crowd funding. I say we place it on a main road outside UHC’s headquarters in Minnesota. Make the bastards drive past it every single day on the way to work.
After the CEO has ceased to exist we could get the boulder back and make a statue of that CEO, as a a warning to others.
…and a cool ass boulder.
This! You have any idea how much people pay for boulders to landscape their yards? A small one about the size of a nightstand can cost 300+.
Can we just put them all in submarines and promise it will be different this time?
Yes, I suppose the boulder has some value as well.
The boulder will still be cool under the sea. And also, under the sea that ceo finally has some real value. As food.
It probably has some nice bouldering problems to try!
Ha, that was a V12+ joke!
I’m glad you could grip the meaning of my comment!
“The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!”
Even in death they’d be causing sea levels to rise.
But they’re providing valuable nutrients to endangered sea critters, so it balances out from an environmental perspective.
I guess this meme only applies to America?
In most European countries, you pay for your insurance by contributing a certain percentage of your wages to your insurance company and a retirement payout company. Of course, you don’t have to bother with that, since your employer does this in most cases (if you’re not a contractor). I think this is a better strategy than just paying from what you have.
In the Netherlands your pension fund is withheld from your wages (partially a mandatory government fund, partially a fund your employer might select).
My previous employer invested about 1% of my wages into the fund, which was quite shite. My current employer invests 10% and has a significantly better return.
Health insurance is a monthly cost you pay on your own (starting at around € 120 / mo). It’s a € ~350 yearly deductible and coverage is mostly decided by the government. Any additional coverage is your own choosing and comes at a premium.
As you can only switch contracts on a yearly basis, comparing health plans is effectively a Christmas tradition for all Dutch citizens.
Put this image into a translator, but in short, in Slovakia, your employer pays for your health insurance. (if you’re not self-employed)
Why aren’t we seeing this type of energy towards politicians? They’re the ones making the laws that companies exploit.
Because in fine, it’s the companies and lobbies that bribe them. You can have ethical politicians, but there are hardly any ethical CEOs/board members.
I think the rates of ethical people across the two are the same. Just have to relate the politicians to the same ranking as a CEO/board member.
Yeah we shouldn’t underestimate the appeal of power, it’s less quantifiable, but in it’s essence similar to net worth (at a certain wealth).
Yet if we wouldn’t have this inequality because of capitalism, the political power might well be more focused on the good for the people (and less to the wealthy)
You think politicians are the ones who write the laws? You wouldn’t happen to be a CEO would you? If so, I do believe you yearn for the Sea…
That’s the silliest thing I’ve heard in a while
I’m not hearing a no. Do you hear the waves? They call to you!
You’re telling me to kill myself? And you’re getting upvotes? Lemmy has changed. Then again, Lemmy has always had a hard-on for politicians. Enjoy the circlejerk.
Nah, I’m just saying that if you’re a health insurance CEO, you deserve to be tied to a boulder and thrown into the Sea.
Polluting the sea is not cool either
Also rocks can be valuable too
so does this mean y’all guys are finally coming around on utilitarianism?
I thought that this was gonna be a different joke, I’m not gonna lie.
Now I’m morbidly curious what joke you were thinking…
“It’s an acceptable loss.”
Can’t we do this another way? That’s a waste of a perfectly good rock.
There’s no shortage of rocks at our disposal. If it’s the labor costs you’re worried about, I suppose we could force the CEOs to quarry and carry their own rock.
Tie them all together with a floating rope at the wrists to waists. They will eventually tire out, when they do they will sink themselves, once they have provided value to the fishes and other sea life then the rope will float back to the top and you can start all over with another group of valuable market leaders.
Unfortunately the rock must be sacrificed for the good of us all. 😞
We are just replenishing the world’s supply of low radiation steel. In a thousand years scientists will be so thankful.
Could we not go for a more sustainable solution? I’m sure they’d make a pretty decent fertiliser.
The CEOs will be fully recycled by sea life. Steel is just iron and carbon, no real damage to the environment as they rust away. And boulders are inert. And we can make sure the CEOs are dressed in suits made of all natural fibers when we chuck 'em in the drink!
