• zagaberoo@beehaw.org
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    3 days ago

    Who said anything about capitalism? I’m talking about centralization. Expecting countless individuals to be able to do something as well as specialists can do it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    “Personal responsibility” is a red herring used by those in power to try and shift the blame off of institutions with real power. We need institutional change first and foremost.

    Off-gridders are primarily dilettantes who have the money to pretend they’re disconnected from the system.

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      3 days ago

      I’m talking about centralization. Expecting countless individuals to be able to do something as well as specialists can do it just doesn’t make sense to me.

      As far as I know, there is no existing and modern example of centralization that I am aware of that isn’t some form of state authoritarianism with capitalist or other class/status-based elements. So in my mind, the concepts are at least loosely interlinked, unless we are framing this in the context of the world already being at least slightly utopian or having overt socialist elements. Which I’m happy to entertain, or just purely entertain the concept of centralization in a vacuum.

      I overall agree that centralization could be made very efficient, but in its current form, people are limited/controlled in a number of ways (such as lacking ownership of their property), and those that control centralization efforts are not designing cities or economies of scale that are even remotely healthy and in the best interest of humanity or the planet.

      If we have no meaningful way of getting rid of or utilize biosolids besides landfills and other, more harmful practices, it doesn’t seem like the most amazing thing to do in the tried and true way moving forward.

      “Personal responsibility” is a red herring

      If I have to give my power away to external entities to meet my needs and tackle all of my problems, and they persistently show a pattern of wanton disregard for my health and safety and of those around me, I’m going to find ways of taking matters into my own hands and show others how easy and inexpensive it is - that you don’t need to be an expert to tackle certain realities of life that are vastly over-complicated by those in power.

      Off-gridders are primarily dilettantes who have the money to pretend they’re disconnected from the system.

      Of course nobody is truly disconnected, on the contrary, we are all connected. It is, however, disingenuous to imply that you need vast sums of money to accomplish such a lifestyle. The system is also, in my view, not solely responsible for all existing innovation and culture that off-gridders/etc. benefit from.

      The modern world is moving along at a very slow pace, and it’s doing so kicking and screaming at every small step of progress because of concepts like “expense” and the diminishing/false quantification of value of people to excuse inaction or the blatant disregard of the health and safety of those that reside in it.

      I’m of the view that unless a city/centralized location is able to support its basic needs in the geographic region its occupying (and moving forward), it’s probably in the wrong spot. Am I against centralization or proponents of it? Of course not, but there has to be a valid reason for specific projects and solid grounding for it besides what is best or convenient for capitalists.

      From my perspective, there also needs to be guiding principles, a universal bill of human rights that is never eroded, and a commitment to ending/creatively solving polluting practices and actively remediating said pollution.