Ah yes. Our sworn enemy: Taiwan.
It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad.
Trump is on china’s side. Make no mistake he like their way of doing things.
Trump had to tariff someone or else he was going to look stupid for never shutting up about tarrifs.
He’s going, or is, senil. The tariffs are just something that got into his head that are simple to understand.
he is going, or is, senile
How the hell we’ll be able to tell
Did you see the vid where he thinks Spain is the S in BRICS?!
🤡
He’s probably has had dementia for a while, that’s where his lean and dumptruck ass come from.
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It’s going to impact American consumers a hell of a lot more.
Came here to say that. Americans pay the tarrifs. He’s raising prices for American consumers.
Is America great yet?
Has it ever been?
There has been a lot of greatness in US, but the people fighting the good fights seem to be losing right now. Just slowly, a little year by year. Hopefully this a kick in the pants too fucking far and we wake the fuck up and see we have to actually do something about it.
Maybe if that happens, computer parts won’t get a huge markup here in Japan anymore in that … ah, who am I kidding; they’ll still gouge us.
Lol, I’d love to watch everyone in the US paying triple for literally anything that has electronics in it.
If Trump then wants to build chips in the US, good luck. ASML is the only one with the machines, first of all, and by the time he can buy those, something tells me they might have some extra tarifs added to them, and then paying US salaries for electronics would skyrocket prices to people having to pay four-five times the amount of what they’re paying now.
Not saying that the near slavery conditions in Asia are fine, that should have changed decades ago, but the way trump is doing this is hilarious, people will want his head on a plattee
iirc the machines that TSMC uses are made in Holland right when he’s also apparently doing his best to piss of Europe, even then there’s like a decade long order backlog.
Trump is basically a sad fat kid in a classroom that just cries and screams when shit doesn’t go his way and then ruins everything for everyone else.
Surely this will bring egg prices down.
lol is he even trying to hide being a Russian puppet anymore?
thats one way to make sure openai can stay competitive
As someone who actually approves $$ for tech vendors in an American company, I can tell you that no matter how cheaply China-based services become, they still aren’t going to be seriously considered. Anthropic and OpenAI are based out of San Francisco. Legal jurisdiction to resolve contract disputes, breaches of confidentiality, etc. can be resolved in a fairly straightforward way between two American companies, especially when they are headquartered in the same court district.
Chinese companies exist inside of a legal safe harbor where they have less incentive to play by the rules, and a much lower risk of consequences for getting caught breaking them. The risk isn’t worth the perceived savings.
One of the main features of Deepseek is that you can run it yourself. It doesn’t matter if Deepseek are based in China if you run the model on your own servers and thus guarantee that your data doesn’t leave your own data center.
True but you can run Linux on your own machine but it doesn’t stop anyone from paying AWS or Microsoft to handle it for them.
Give it 6 months and Amazon will be running this model for you “serverless” with a code name making it seem like their own product.
they do this with other models
Yes but people will pay redhat Linux to use a distro with support. Also almost the entire US internet server infrastructure runs on Linux.
So yeah a company can provide an open source product with commercial support
people will pay redhat Linux to use a distro with support
never seen this happen in my 20 years career
Bizarre, I guess their business has been running on hopes and dreams instead of money for the past 30 years lol.
that was my assumption
100%
It’s as crazy as foreigners holding Chinese stocks
And they’re not even trying to create American jobs with this crap. The CHIPS Act is paired with a “chipmaker’s visa,” which intends to import cheap labor from Taiwan to work the US chip factories.
Trump still loves H1B slaves like all billionaires so it’s fine
You’re not wrong, but the Dems are in on this, too. They were pushing the same chipmaker’s visa when they had the reigns, so I wouldn’t count on them helping.
They are also billionaire’s stooges. They’re just the “good cop” part of the arrangement. When we politely accept their domination rather than rebelliously accept their domination. Those are the only two choices.
Trump is going to use Tariffs to try to offset making larger tax cuts for the wealthy.
It’s better that he does this now so that we have a solid recent example to point to of how this will impact what we pay for goods.
Never mind we have 100 years of data backing this up, people are idiots and won’t recognize the treat until it hurts them directly.
In a way I’m glad he’s doing this. He’s going to inflect so much pain that he loses in a landslide in four or 8 years or whatever. If income tax rates are 0, then a new administration would be able to set them as high as they want without consideration of trying to increase them by 2 percent or whatever they do now.
I agree I’d rather Trump shit the bed hard and early so we can contain the damage and show the public at large what his policies will really do to them.
But Tariffs will never be enough to offset income tax completely. I think he is going to use Tariffs to offset renewing his tax cuts for the wealthy. There are a good number of house republicans who will not go along with tax cuts if it increases the deficit. Revenue from tariffs would give him enough cover to placate those Republicans while directly pushing the cost onto US consumers who are primarily lower and middle classes.
Even after 4 years when he is out of office and the next administration reduces those tariffs and goes back to a progressive tax system. Even reducing those tariffs then will never bring prices down. Companies will never pass those savings entirely to the consumer they will pocket the money and everyone else will be screwed.
The grift is obvious for anyone paying attention but a lot of his base doesn’t realize that they pay almost no tax because of credits and deductions. Tariffs will hit the working class hard.
To be fair, we mostly have examples of how free trade reduces prices. But this reduction in prices usually wasn’t instantaneous and perceivable by ordinary folks. Because corporations wouldn’t hand out the savings to consumers until the very slow market force of competition forced them to. Tariffs will make everything more expensive and even if they are eventually culled, stuff will not become suddenly cheap again.
I agree, I doubt very much that price savings for any reduction in Tariffs will be passed onto the consumer. However any increase in Tariffs will immediately be felt.
I’d rather see an increase in a single sector such as microchips to show the public the costs of Trump’s plan in real modern dollars to help build opposition. Than wait until he pushes an across the board Tariff. Which would likely result in a stagflation for the population at large.
Wildly bad ideas at exactly the right time in history to do the most damage.
It does not make any sense
That’s because syphilis hasn’t mushed your brain
Gosh Tim. How is that million dollar personal contribution
directly into Trump’s pocketto Trump’s inauguration fund working out for you?Wat
In the end, only the customer pays extras.
Trumpets cannot comprehend this
They will first go “I don’t buy those damn consoles and gamer PCs every few years”, then find out once their new iPhones will be much more expensive…
They seem to like cars a lot. Remember when there was a car shortage because chip manufacturing froze during Covid?
Issue with that, they would love to have “chipless” cars they can repair with a screwdriver and a wrench.
Everything will be more expensive, if it uses a modern CPU. Phones, tablets, computers of any type from any company (both Intel and AMD are fabbing consumer CPUs on TSMC, as is Apple and Qualcomm), TVs, set top boxes, everything.
Right now TSMC is basically the only fab anything consumer-facing is made on, which is not a great thing in general, but vice president trump just decided that anything electronic needs a hefty price hike.
And remember, once the price goes up, it rarely goes down. Even after the tariffs reverted in the future.
There was a time…
He emphasized that the proposed tariffs would leave companies with no choice but to invest in domestic production facilities to avoid high taxes.
No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.
That’s just how tariffs work. They’re not a weapon against enemy nations. They’re a tax on Americans.
And nobody is going to bring production back to this fascist slave pen of a country.
More so when these plants take 10 years to build. They will pass along the cost and just wait him out.
No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.
TSMC is standing up fabs in the US, mostly because we’re bribing them to do so.
The problem is that it takes literal years to build high tech manufacturing and isn’t something you can yank out of your ass to satisfy some idiot politician.
By Taiwanese law, TSMC isn’t allowed to move cutting edge processes to its US plant. The overseas operations have to be at least one gen behind.
From a strategic point of view, it makes sense for the Taiwan government to do this. They don’t want the US to suck them dry then cut a deal with the mainland.
I mean, it’s economic blackmail: we won’t build the good shit anywhere else, so if you don’t protect us, you get nothing.
Effective, but only if you’re dealing with someone who is rational, and, well, have you seen the brain-worm oligarchs in charge of the US lately?
For Taiwan, it’s a matter of survival, plain and simple. They’re not going to give up their monopoly because without it they cease to exist. It does not matter how irrational the person they’re dealing with is, because for them this is life and death, literally. TSMC is the single biggest national security asset they have.
Also, because these investments are long-term when the tariffs are likely to only be short term.
Yeah but what corporation is going to think of the obvious solution?
