Ok, so what I’m hearing is that you’re agreeing with me that it’s a silly argument, but for a different reason - that volcano’s are devastating and we shouldn’t settle for just “less than devastating”. Is that right?

It initially seemed like you were arguing that volcanoes are bigger that I was aware of, and therefore might be more impactful than humans on the environment. But that’s probably because people always argue online 😅

Ya this isn’t the argument the person I replied to was making

Ya this isn’t the argument the person I replied to was making

I’m aware. Do you have something more to say?

Explain why globally we cut back on nuclear power please? How does this fit into your argument?

Yeah, I wholeheartedly encourage constructive debate and skepticism. However, it doesn’t excuse repeating shitty arguments without doing anything thinking or research just because it makes you feel less bad and lets you not do anything.

One example that particularly bothers me was “humans affect on the climate is less than a single volcanic eruption”. There are a lot of things you could not trust about scientific reporting, but the base premise of 8 billion people flying around the world using decomposed dinosaur mass is at least an order-of magnitude larger in scale compared to a single volcanic eruption. At that point, you’d have to believe that there isn’t really 8 billion people or that oil is actually from somewhere else.

In summary I agree, I just want to add nuance that this doesn’t excuse people acting in bad faith. It’s important that everyone, not just scientists, recognize their emotions and bias and challenge their own arguments against these (I.e. am I just making this argument because I feel defensive?)

You’ve got to keep in mind that everyone doesn’t feel the same. I personally feel gross having anything to do with leather because I can’t shake the feeling it’s a corpse’s skin. It would be the same to me if it was a dead human’s skin.

I’m not asking for understanding on how I feel, but more just understanding that maybe natural leather is the best option for most people right now in terms of environmental impact - but it’s important we develop other solutions too and try to make them more environmentally over time, because not everyone is the same.

Yeah this drives me crazy. I grew up where the old white men loved boating and fishing in the rivers, bringing the family out to enjoy nature. Now that it’s all getting contaminated and turning gross, even the dumbest person who actually valued ‘conserving’ would realise we actually have to do something.

Instead, we’ve got billboards up and down the country trashing the Paris agreement and the old white men are only interested in attacking the other tribe. Not a hint of concern for the environment. They’re not interested in conserving anything other than their social status and corresponding power.

Yeah that’s true

Yeah it is insane how many of them have no higher education, or conversely simply got a PhD and have never worked in industry before

This is an incredibly frustrating part of my work with startups. I do economic assessments for climate tech, and if it doesn’t work on paper then you can be damn sure it won’t magically start working in the real world. There are millions of reasons a startup might fail and very few that even give a chance for success (big VC success, not just normal profitablity or survival).

In summary I agree it’s a massive lottery, but it drives me crazy how much investment goes to lottery tickets that don’t even have a legitimate chance of success.

I mean, you COULD just have a massive membrane area. They won’t, cause that’d be crazy, but you could.

Yeah I agree, that was a ridiculous thing to say.

If anyone actually pursues this hit me up, Id be interested in helping

Peer reviewed ✅

It does, it’s in the specs at the bottom of the steam page

That’s… literally the point? We want socialism, which means we want to help pay your bills and support you to reach your goals. That’s what we want for everyone.

You’d think so, but unfortunately not. Venture captial is completely illogical, designed around boom or bust “moonshot” ideas that are supposed to completely change everything. So this money isn’t driven by actual consumption, rather speculation. I can’t really speak to other forms of investment but I suspect it doesn’t get a whole lot better. The economy has become far too financialised with a fiat currency that is completely separate from actual intrinsic value. That’s why a watch can cost more than a family home, which isn’t true consumption - just this weird concept of “wealth”