I see the take! I may just be a bit too idealist to agree fully, but obviously that world would be way better than our current one. Thanks for sharing.
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Okay I’ve had an incling that you aren’t arguing in good faith but now I’m convinced enough to say something. If you don’t respond to my points about the effort it would take to realistically reduce hierarchy then I’ll be out of steam.
The libertarianism parts are a side quest. The main quest is your belief that maintaining your ignorance is important for you to be anarchist.
Hi cowbee! Hope you’re doing well. Got an anti-anarchism spiel for me? I’m not gonna debate it really, I’m just curious on your thoughts. I see an optimal society as one with as little hierarchy as possible and anarchism as the most pure philosophy on achieving that.
Here are some starting points for ya lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
I see how you could get them confused as they both are about minimizing governance. From my understanding libertarianism is more broad with it. Anarchism still tries to create an egalitarian society though while liberalism is extremely laissez faire.
The vast majority of anarchist have noticed that the world we live in is very unequal and have therefore concluded that it will take work to make a world without hierarchy. A quick look at the history books will show you that anarchist societies aren’t the most stable. Now we’ve never seen an anarchist world so it is hard to say if that would be stable, but anarchist societies embedded in hierarchical worlds are tough to sustain.
Though I’m starting to think that you have really mixed together libertarianism and anarchism into something. So note that when I say anarchism I specifically mean realistic attempts to minimize hierarchy and not pure anti government.
A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don’t you agree?
The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out.
Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can’t imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes.
It’s hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That’ll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce.
I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience.
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tl;Dr: I bet we could figure out how to simulate a whole universe within a decently small computer. Seems hard though.
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21·9 months agoFor most shareholders in most businesses, the risk is that you are no longer as rich as your peers.
Most US households can’t weather a $1000 unexpected expense without going into debt.
To be real, capital gains are the definition of inequality. It is making money by having enough money to own something. There is no other economic force that drives inequality more.
Small business is a decent minority of US employers. It can’t be ignored, but it is the unlikely case when sampling by employee or just by random citizen.
At most an owner can be reimbursed for their costs of starting the business. Past that I don’t see any reason to give them a special share of the profits. Even that feels generous given how unequal we are, and that fact that having the money to start a business means you are likely more privileged than your employees.
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14·9 months agoDepends, are you considering the fact that 90% of stocks are owned by the top 10% of Americans? Also are you considering that being in the top 10% means you likely have rich friends and family that could bail you out? I think black rock is going to be fine.
Most businesses aren’t like my friends parents little Chinese restraunt.
To me using the, “think of the shareholders” line is silly for a reason. The biggest privilege is the privilege to make mistakes without becoming impoverished. Workers have it much harder in that respect.
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I’ll take that as a response.
"See that’s the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don’t. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be ‘in the know’ about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes. "
This is ridiculous. There is no world where everyone could have perfectly equal knowledge. That is obviously an extremely silly hill to die on, and you are doing very little by trying to squash it on a completely individual level.
Why not work with others to try to bring equality in more tangible ways? Unfortunately you’d have to learn how to effectively run a mutual aid group. Wouldn’t that put you ‘in the know’?
Oh the horrors of learning to cook huge batches of food for your community. What a terrible form of intellectual oppression. We must sit still and conver our eyes for fear of doing something wrong.