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  • I’m not entirely sure what conversation you’re wrapping people into. I don’t know what they say about battered wife syndrome, you would have to tell us.

    That said, I think you’re missing the push and pull nature of spousal abuse. It’s not just punching your wife, it’s creating an unstable environment that the victim believes they can overcome and that it is valuable to overcome it.

    The negative reinforcement side, that is the abuse and the removal of it for “good behavior”, is often paired with shame. The wife is not just ducking an uppercut, she is made to believe that she deserved it. Would you divorce your husband if you thought you were at fault for all of your marital problems? Abuse victims often think that they are lucky someone is even willing to put up with them.

    The positive reinforcement side, that is the honeymoon-like love-bombing that happens between abusive episodes, is what the spouse actually wants. But it’s given only intermittently, like a skinner box (another concept you should look up), which creates a dynamic very much like gambling to make an addict of the victim. They spend most of their time trying to figure out how to create those good times without realizing that it’s being deliberately withheld from them like a dangling carrot on stick.

    Both of these contribute to why the spouse stays.

    If your contention has more to do with operant conditioning not being inherently evil, uh, that would be true. It’s a normal psychological function. Abusers… abuse it, but there are other reasons why it might be useful to associate a sound with food, for instance.


  • The fact that you think I agree with you on the cigarettes point is part of the problem.

    Cigarettes and smoking indoors are related, but not identical things.

    To insist on this difference is to divert public attention into pointless bickering. I’ve read the CIA document, I know how this works.

    If you’re going to come into every strategy meeting with useless bullshit on this level, I am kicking you off the team. With prejudice.

    with the ability to go back from AI, which is not possible

    It is possible if I cut off your apartment’s electricity. Think of it like Morpheus liberating Neo from the Matrix.



  • We’ve never, ever, ever, ever gone back from a piece of technology.

    Bitcoin, NFTs, asbestos, CFCs, leaded substances, the metaverse, 3D TVs like the 7 or 8 different times they’ve tried to make that a thing, VR gaming, wearable computers, segways, ubiquitous RFID tags, google search (considering they are fucking up their own service, this absolutely counts), the iSmell?, folding-glass phones (culturally insignificant), modular phones (culturally insignificant), gesture control devices for your PC (culturally insignificant), the Internet of Things (culturally insignificant), paper clothing (wtf?), sailors forgetting and rediscovering the cure for scurvy several times, self-healing concrete had to be rediscovered, …

    I imagine you think this list is making the same mistake, but you don’t understand this as a cultural issue.

    It’s not a behavior,

    The choice to use it is a behavior.

    You, while claiming it is other people who are doing this, are conflating the existence of a technology with the acceptance of it.

    Using your own interpretation, we can’t go back from cigarettes either. The technology is known. They still exist. People still smoke them. They still give people lung cancer. If we shut down tobacco companies, people can still roll their own. There’s no stopping it. It’s a societal pitfall we can’t climb out of.

    And yet, somehow, I can go into a restaurant today without being assaulted by a Counter Strike smoke bomb.

    that’s going to produce a lot of pointless hopelessness

    Let’s review something else you’ve said.

    It’s wrong because there really is no going back from AI.

    In the absolute sense? Like, one person in the middle of Utah won’t let it go? Do you really think that I care about them?

    This sentiment damages hope for our cause.

    You are either doing so deliberately, or do not understand the goal.

    Please, spare me the pedantic lecture about what “going back” is supposed to mean.


  • Yes, they are. You simultaneously believe that we cannot do anything and that we are capable of assuming control of it.

    Since we’re just speaking in vague probabilities anyway, you know what else is “not going to happen”? You panic rolling out from underneath Sam Altman’s thumb. This is oligarch technology, and it will stay oligarch technology. Netflix will cost $40 a month, gas prices will rise to $25 a gallon, Nintendo will make $170 video games an industry standard, Reddit will always be more popular than Lemmy, there will never be a year of the Linux desktop, and there is nothing you can do about any of it.







  • Okay, this:

    If you want to try to get rid of it, I can’t stop you. I’m unaware of an example of that ever working, though.

    And this:

    I think it’s better to seize that tech from the people who would likely use it to make people’s lives worse.

    Are irreconcilable positions.

    If you don’t believe we can stop it, how are we going to seize it? Do you think that “seize” means “have access to”? Merely having access is not going to stop anyone from using it to make your life worse.