What communism? I hope your not referring to China. More billionaires made in China than the US this year is pretty much incompatible with a belief they practice communism.
The entire Chinese revolution shows us it was a violent revolution not a peaceful evolution. This is why most people, after seeing leadership never really change, would recognize it as a dictatorship.
Being a capitalist dictatorship puts China squarely on the fascist board.
More billionaires made in China than the US this year is pretty much incompatible with a belief they practice communism.
The entire Chinese revolution shows us it was a violent revolution not a peaceful evolution.
There is no such thing as a “peaceful revolution.” The act of taking hold of the capitalist state, smashing it, and replacing it with a socialist one necessitates violence.
Capitalists govern the secondary and small/medium firms in China, as market forces help socialize production (a key observation for why Marx said capitalism creates the basis of communism). As these firms grow, more billionaires are created, but they are also folded more into the public sector as they grow.
China is socialist. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy in the PRC, and the working classes control the state. For example, when looking at publicly owned industries, we can see the following:
Even checking Wikipedia, data from 2022 shows that the overwhelming majority of the top companies are publicly owned SOEs. This is China’s strategy, they’ve been honest about it from the beginning. The private sector is about half cooperatives like Huawei or farming cooperarives and sole proprietorships, with the other half being small and medium firms. As these grow, they are folded into the public sector gradually. This is China’s Socialist Market Economy.
As for the state being run by the working classes, this is also pretty straightforward. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the CPC, a working class party, dominates the state. At a democratic level, local elections are direct, while higher levels are elected by lower rungs. At the top, constant opinion gathering and polling occurs, gathering public opinion, driving gradual change. This system is better elaborated on in Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance, and we can see the class breakdown of the top of the government itself:
Socialism is not the absence of private property, but the transition between capitalism and communism, indicated by public ownership as principle. Collectivization of production and distribution is a gradual process, and to dogmatically apply this to secondary and small industry before markets naturally centralize them and prepare them for public ownership isn’t necessary.
Fascism is not “when the state uses force.” Fascism is when capitalist decay forces strong state repression against the working classes to force austerity and consolidate bourgeois control, which isn’t how socialist countries function.
History shows that simply telling the truth isn’t actually convincing for those who choose not to be open to new ideas. We all do this, none of us are immune, but only those with class interests aligned with communism tend to be open to new information challenging liberal mainstream perception.
No, I don’t think lying is useful. I only tell what I believe to be the truth. What I’m saying is that you can show people undeniable evidence contrary to their beliefs, and they still reject it if they aren’t open to learning. Flat Earthers are a good example. If you show Flat Earthers evidence of round Earth, they deny it and call it fabricated, false, etc. The idea that ideas propogate based on truth and evidence is a nice fantasy, but instead people license themselves to believe what fits their worldview. That’s how disinformation works.
I can’t believe anyone on the Internet is naive enough to believe that just being given factual information is enough to make people change their mind. How could you think that is true when you know, everything? Also who could doubt the power of propaganda?
I’m pretty sure they were just taking a knee-jerk reaction deliberately. I could have said I think puppies are cute and they would have accused me of animal abuse.
Capitalists use fascism to defend democracy from communism.
What communism? I hope your not referring to China. More billionaires made in China than the US this year is pretty much incompatible with a belief they practice communism.
The entire Chinese revolution shows us it was a violent revolution not a peaceful evolution. This is why most people, after seeing leadership never really change, would recognize it as a dictatorship.
Being a capitalist dictatorship puts China squarely on the fascist board.
There is no such thing as a “peaceful revolution.” The act of taking hold of the capitalist state, smashing it, and replacing it with a socialist one necessitates violence.
Capitalists govern the secondary and small/medium firms in China, as market forces help socialize production (a key observation for why Marx said capitalism creates the basis of communism). As these firms grow, more billionaires are created, but they are also folded more into the public sector as they grow.
China is socialist. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy in the PRC, and the working classes control the state. For example, when looking at publicly owned industries, we can see the following:
Even checking Wikipedia, data from 2022 shows that the overwhelming majority of the top companies are publicly owned SOEs. This is China’s strategy, they’ve been honest about it from the beginning. The private sector is about half cooperatives like Huawei or farming cooperarives and sole proprietorships, with the other half being small and medium firms. As these grow, they are folded into the public sector gradually. This is China’s Socialist Market Economy.
As for the state being run by the working classes, this is also pretty straightforward. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the CPC, a working class party, dominates the state. At a democratic level, local elections are direct, while higher levels are elected by lower rungs. At the top, constant opinion gathering and polling occurs, gathering public opinion, driving gradual change. This system is better elaborated on in Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance, and we can see the class breakdown of the top of the government itself:
Overall, this system has resulted in over 90% of the population approving the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate. If you want to learn more, while not nearly as in-depth due to time limits as Roland Boer’s work (and mostly focused on the Xi Jinping era), Red Pen’s A Summary of Xi Jinping’s Governance of China can be a good primer! There’s also This is how China’s economic model works: Explaining Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Geopolitical Economy Report.
Socialism is not the absence of private property, but the transition between capitalism and communism, indicated by public ownership as principle. Collectivization of production and distribution is a gradual process, and to dogmatically apply this to secondary and small industry before markets naturally centralize them and prepare them for public ownership isn’t necessary.
And tankies love fascism as long as it’s used against capitalism
Fascism is not “when the state uses force.” Fascism is when capitalist decay forces strong state repression against the working classes to force austerity and consolidate bourgeois control, which isn’t how socialist countries function.
Can you name a fascist movement of the past that wasn’t killed off by commies/tankies? Where exactly do you think that 80mil number comes from?
They do.
Communists don’t have to lie or censor others to get their point across.
Just tell the truth and more people would be sympathetic to their cause.
History shows that simply telling the truth isn’t actually convincing for those who choose not to be open to new ideas. We all do this, none of us are immune, but only those with class interests aligned with communism tend to be open to new information challenging liberal mainstream perception.
Lol, history has not shown that.
If you honestly believe that lying is going to recruit more people to your cause, then keep doing that and see how it works out for you.
The present is telling you that it’s not working.
No, I don’t think lying is useful. I only tell what I believe to be the truth. What I’m saying is that you can show people undeniable evidence contrary to their beliefs, and they still reject it if they aren’t open to learning. Flat Earthers are a good example. If you show Flat Earthers evidence of round Earth, they deny it and call it fabricated, false, etc. The idea that ideas propogate based on truth and evidence is a nice fantasy, but instead people license themselves to believe what fits their worldview. That’s how disinformation works.
I can’t believe anyone on the Internet is naive enough to believe that just being given factual information is enough to make people change their mind. How could you think that is true when you know, everything? Also who could doubt the power of propaganda?
You’re right.
Nobody is turned off by the .ml crowd because of its belief in propaganda.
I’m pretty sure they were just taking a knee-jerk reaction deliberately. I could have said I think puppies are cute and they would have accused me of animal abuse.
I don’t even mind communists, it’s tankies I hate
Considering “tankie” is just a pejorative for those that support existing socialism, what practicing communists do you give a pass to?