Lol. Sugar industry perversions? My anointed sibling, you replied to a comment in which I recommended a list of ingredients to make a healthy Nutella alternative - not a single one of which was sugar.
And okay, carbs aren’t sugar. Except they also are sugar, because all carbs are made of sugar. That’s the point, that the substance itself is not evil or unhealthy. It’s the inappropriate consumption and other relevant lifestyle factors that are.
For example, overconsumption of fats - namely saturated fats - increases insulin resistance in the body. This effect amplifies the harmful effects of sugar. Sugar does not cause diabetes apart from obesity.
Sugar causes diabetes. Carbs are very different in your body then sugar, and it looks like your post was edited, idk about fat causing diabetes as you typed, never heard that.
Wrong. The single biggest factor in type 2 diabetes is body fat. Sugar can contribute to weight gain, but so can a lot of things. Overconsumption in general will lead to weight gain, and weight gain increases the risk of diabetes. Sugar can be one factor in those risks, but is almost never the sole reason. You know what does appear to play a pretty big role in diabetes risk? Meat.
Carbs are very different in your body then sugar,
Which ones? There are three types of carbs: sugar, starch, and fiber. Basic sugars and starches mostly act the same in the body. Both are quickly broken down by enzymes in our intestines, and processed into our bloodstream rather quickly (although starches take a little bit longer to digest than simple sugars).
Fiber is where things really are different. We cannot digest fiber, but out gut microbiome can, which makes it a crucially important category of nutrients for our gut health.
But I think what you’re not getting is that natural sources of fiber are very often also natural sources of high amounts of sugar and starches. Many fruits are very important sources of fiber, vitamins and minerals, and unique phytonutrients - but they are also a package deal with lots of sugar. So if sugar is so bad, does that mean fruit is bad too? No, well, not usually at least. And that’s because the fiber binds up those sugars and a lot of other nutrients, and causes all of them to digest a lot more slowly. On top of that, the antioxidants in the fruits cancel out what would have been pro-inflammatory effects of the sugars if those sugars were consumed in a form where the fiber and antioxidants were stripped away leaving only processed sugars.
This is what I was trying to get it. Whether sugar is harmful or not depends on a lot of factors. When it’s refined away from its whole-food source it’s bad. When it’s refined and consumed in a diet really high in saturated fats, it becomes even worse. But sugars that are naturally present in plants, when those plants are eaten in their whole form, are healthy and a great source of energy.
and it looks like your post was edited,
Are you accusing me of something?
idk about fat causing diabetes as you typed, never heard that.
Not just fat, excessive body fat. Overweight is the single biggest risk factor for type 2 diabetes. This is why every fad diet out there can claim to “cure” diabetes. Play around with a diet long enough and you might lose weight. If you lose weight, your diabetes might go into remission. Viola, you can now claim your diet cures diabetes.
That is a lot of words. Answering the first sentence however, sugar becomes fat, so it’s a nonsensical argument from the get go. Fructose is converted into fat in the liver (yes with other steps,), glucose used as is, 50/50 ratio, 60/40 fructose/glucose on high fructose corn syrup.
As to the editing of the post claim, I believe you made a second post I took for edited at the time so I was wrong, responding to your previous post while looking at the newer one. But I never confirmed that. But I apologize if so.
To accuse fruit of being the same as raw sugar, with fiber, is sugar industry propaganda all the way. You bought their arguments, read their propaganda, and believed it.
To claim sugar is not different from carbs and starch, is similarly incorrect, laughably so. We all know the body breaks it down to sugar to use it, that doesn’t mean it’s the same to ingest.
I am all over the place here, but you are conflating body fat with eating fatty foods, to excuse the outsized role sugar plays in this process. You believed what you were told, and still do. That is what is going on here. Arguing body fat causes diabetes not sugar is like saying bullets kill people not guns.
There are unhealthy fats to be sure, and other sources of obesity, sugar is the biggest by far though…
Lol. Sugar industry perversions? My anointed sibling, you replied to a comment in which I recommended a list of ingredients to make a healthy Nutella alternative - not a single one of which was sugar.
And okay, carbs aren’t sugar. Except they also are sugar, because all carbs are made of sugar. That’s the point, that the substance itself is not evil or unhealthy. It’s the inappropriate consumption and other relevant lifestyle factors that are.
For example, overconsumption of fats - namely saturated fats - increases insulin resistance in the body. This effect amplifies the harmful effects of sugar. Sugar does not cause diabetes apart from obesity.
Anointed sivling eh? None of that is accurate, brother.
All of it is accurate.
Sugar causes diabetes. Carbs are very different in your body then sugar, and it looks like your post was edited, idk about fat causing diabetes as you typed, never heard that.
Wrong. The single biggest factor in type 2 diabetes is body fat. Sugar can contribute to weight gain, but so can a lot of things. Overconsumption in general will lead to weight gain, and weight gain increases the risk of diabetes. Sugar can be one factor in those risks, but is almost never the sole reason. You know what does appear to play a pretty big role in diabetes risk? Meat.
Which ones? There are three types of carbs: sugar, starch, and fiber. Basic sugars and starches mostly act the same in the body. Both are quickly broken down by enzymes in our intestines, and processed into our bloodstream rather quickly (although starches take a little bit longer to digest than simple sugars).
Fiber is where things really are different. We cannot digest fiber, but out gut microbiome can, which makes it a crucially important category of nutrients for our gut health.
But I think what you’re not getting is that natural sources of fiber are very often also natural sources of high amounts of sugar and starches. Many fruits are very important sources of fiber, vitamins and minerals, and unique phytonutrients - but they are also a package deal with lots of sugar. So if sugar is so bad, does that mean fruit is bad too? No, well, not usually at least. And that’s because the fiber binds up those sugars and a lot of other nutrients, and causes all of them to digest a lot more slowly. On top of that, the antioxidants in the fruits cancel out what would have been pro-inflammatory effects of the sugars if those sugars were consumed in a form where the fiber and antioxidants were stripped away leaving only processed sugars.
This is what I was trying to get it. Whether sugar is harmful or not depends on a lot of factors. When it’s refined away from its whole-food source it’s bad. When it’s refined and consumed in a diet really high in saturated fats, it becomes even worse. But sugars that are naturally present in plants, when those plants are eaten in their whole form, are healthy and a great source of energy.
Are you accusing me of something?
Not just fat, excessive body fat. Overweight is the single biggest risk factor for type 2 diabetes. This is why every fad diet out there can claim to “cure” diabetes. Play around with a diet long enough and you might lose weight. If you lose weight, your diabetes might go into remission. Viola, you can now claim your diet cures diabetes.
That is a lot of words. Answering the first sentence however, sugar becomes fat, so it’s a nonsensical argument from the get go. Fructose is converted into fat in the liver (yes with other steps,), glucose used as is, 50/50 ratio, 60/40 fructose/glucose on high fructose corn syrup.
As to the editing of the post claim, I believe you made a second post I took for edited at the time so I was wrong, responding to your previous post while looking at the newer one. But I never confirmed that. But I apologize if so.
To accuse fruit of being the same as raw sugar, with fiber, is sugar industry propaganda all the way. You bought their arguments, read their propaganda, and believed it.
To claim sugar is not different from carbs and starch, is similarly incorrect, laughably so. We all know the body breaks it down to sugar to use it, that doesn’t mean it’s the same to ingest.
I am all over the place here, but you are conflating body fat with eating fatty foods, to excuse the outsized role sugar plays in this process. You believed what you were told, and still do. That is what is going on here. Arguing body fat causes diabetes not sugar is like saying bullets kill people not guns.
There are unhealthy fats to be sure, and other sources of obesity, sugar is the biggest by far though…