This is a precise depiction of both Lemmy and Reddit, surprisingly.
It could in fact depict any forum, IRC, or organized online community.
lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable
It’s as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.
Yeah, Lemmy doesn’t block you from accessing it via a VPN, for one.
Couldn’t it? If an Instance owner so chose?
Of course it COULD but someone has to modify the code. Boost for Lemmy also shows google ads…
Not a code change at all, just a filtering of the traffic from particular ip’s and forwarding it to a different page which is all that reddit is doing as well.
How can you implement Google AdSense banners like that???
I wasn’t talking about good AdSense in this case, just the page you are redirected to if you are coming from one of their marked VPN IP addresses. Unless this has changed since the last time I attempted to go to Reddit with a VPN on. But that’s the behavior I’ve witnessed.
This discussion was about Lemmy and that you could easily implement ads by changing the code, you say you don’t need a code change ? What’s your point?
As all sites should be. I’m on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don’t put nothing online you don’t want the world to know.
I used to think like this, but it’s a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can’t have any expectation of privacy, it’s essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they’re not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn’t be trivial to violate someone’s privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
Reddit isn’t privacy-safe either.
I’d put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.
also a gdpr nightmare
Caretio explain why?
I’m assuming he means because federation, even if you delete something its mirrored on other instances
Sure, but the deletion is also mirrored to the other instances no?
EDIT: I suppose it should be alright if you mention in your privacy policy that if you interact with other instances their privacy policies apply as well.
Its not a guaranteed thing. As I understand it servers can simply choose to ignore the delete federation. I have never run a Lemmy server though, so take that with a tiny grain of salt.
Yeah, but companies can also “choose” to ignore GDPR requests. I don’t think talking about instances not following the spec and deleting things when requested is relevant.
Under normal circumstances. But there could be federation issues, or someone could run a custom version that just ignores all deletion requests.
I’m unsure if that’s considered part of the diligence required in Europe.
Edit: does that even apply to public forums such as this? I have always treated it all as if it’s public forever.
it should
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To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn’t a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don’t really bother me that much.
not having e2ee bothers me on private 1on1 chat apps.
i don’t expect it on lemmy though.
better mods
highly instance dependent.
Yeah I mean look what instance this was posted on.
Probably they will ban me just for saying that.
I can’t tell if you’re talking about .world or .ml and the funny thing is that both of those would accuse the other of being the bad one
At least we have choices outside of those two, and open logs to peruse
You are partly correct and I’m sure you can see what I mean by that.
I have had a comment of mine removed from .ml for (correctly) indicating that hexbear is not a trustworthy instance.
well you were spreading misinformation so
💢 AM I BEING DETAINED 💢
DETAINED
Meh… Tha’s pretty much life.
Yea I’m banned from commenting on several instances of Lemmy. Not really sure why. I can view but I cannot participate.
Sh.itjust.works is defederated from some Lemmy instances, could be that?
Yea, its just the same exact power hungry mod template as everywhere else.
You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people
Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content
And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.
I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don’t get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it’s not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.
The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I’m making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.
I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won’t be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.
My problem here is it being mostly left wing people, I am from the left, but I also want people from the other sides to be here as well, or else the whole thing will get one sided.
I don’t care about that so much as the hyper specificity of not only “you have to be on the political left here” but “being to the left isn’t enough, you need to be this far left, and hold these specific views on politics, technology, etc.”.
What does this means?
Why would you actively want evil?
There’s evil in the left, trust me.
yes but right is all evil
I find enough content here. Have you blocked every instance?
It really depends on what content you want. If you like news and memes, Lemmy is the place to go. If you have a niche interest, there’s no hope.
Good for you. At least it’s not enough for me, and for everyone who’s still using Reddit
Yeah, in comparison, that’s for sure. But if they don’t join, they fulfill their own prophecy.
lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we’ll grow.
We’ve already grown faster than reddit
There is substantially less content , but there is content. I don’t get everything I am looking for, but enough to keep me happy
I’m not sure if mods are a proper criteria when it comes to comparing Lemmy and Reddit. The audience is mostly the same and Lemmy doesn’t automatically make people/mods better or worse.
Also, you forgot one major point: API! I get to use and support my third party app of choice Sync here on Lemmy which was killed off by Reddit.
Yeah, as soon as Reddit killed off Reddit is fun, it was game over for me
Yup. I made a comment on !worldnews@lemmy.ml that criticized the recent rigged Venezuelan election, complete with citations. Banned for “misinformation”. Sure, you can just go elsewhere, but “better mods” is subjective.
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
(Actually this instance is running a fork right now, or rather a branch: 0.19.6-beta1, because lemmy.ml is the core Lemmy developers’ instance for testing beta code before releasing production versions.)
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you’re ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you’re doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don’t trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that’s the catch with privacy, if you can’t trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
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Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the big deal” move?
I want privacy. That’s all.
I’m just saying that you’re literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What’s getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn’t need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn’t need to know who I am beyond “growingentropy,” so…
Ah yeah that makes sense.
I have a router with a VPN. I’m not disabling that just to post on lemmy.world.
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
No idea. I installed a VPN on my router to get privacy. That’s all I ask.
See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
Nahh the mods are irrelevant, they’re human everywhere .
Reddits a turd because its corporate, they’re literally exploiting you for their betterment. I dont understand why people are OK with that but here we are.
There are pros and cons. I use both, because Lemmy on its own just isn’t big enough to replace Reddit. Lemmy has a decent variety of active communities for very broad/mainstream topics, plus technology and left wing politics, reflecting the shared interests of most Lemmy users. But then for any topic that’s more niche and doesn’t have a disproportionally large overlap with the interests of Lemmy users, it kinda falls appart. A lot of the more niche subredddits I participate in have no Lemmy equivalent.
I’m also hesitant to call Lemmy’s moderation better. One thing I’ve noticed with Lemmy mods is that they tend to be far too lenient with off-topic posts. Right now the top post for me on “All” is this post from !science_memes@mander.xyz. You might notice that it isn’t a meme in any way shape or form. You might also notice that it was literally posted by a mod from that community. This kind of thing happens a lot, communities on Lemmy are very prone to getting derailed away from their nominal topic.
I got banned from world news for being pro Palestinians and the mods wouldn’t even give me an answer as to why I got banned. Then when I kept asking I got a site wide ban for "“harassment”
I got banned from /news for being “antisemitic” because I debunked the fake israeli Rape propaganda and from worldnews for calling out a Zionist mod spreading pro-israel propaganda.
Also took a few temp bans on .world for debunking other Hasbara such as claims about Hamas bases under hospitals in the beginning of the Genocide.
Seems like I wasn’t the only one falsely accused of spreading hate and and calling for violence.
Justifying israel and America committing Genocide = reasonable discussion.
Saying that blocking some ships to inflict economic pressure on the people committing Genocide is okay = terrorism.
Liberals in a nutshell.
It’s simple, look at the skin color of the perpetrators and victims, and do a comparison. Easy!
why stay on world after that, what a shithole
The reason I made my account on .world was because it was the most Zionism infested instance. It was a very intentional choice.
As long as you can debunk the Hasbara without getting banned it’s the best place to change people’s minds. You’d be amazed what .world looked like 9 months ago.
The mods put up with it for a while. But now the elections are coming close and Biden is still committing Genocide the .World mods are stepping up the censorship.
What are you on?
I just recently got banned (I think, never got a response) from the politics sub for reporting another use that called me retarded. It’s legit confusing. I literally reported them because it seemed out of pocket but apparently I said something offensive as well
I’m about ready to that go back to reddit, just using a web browser on my phone. This is place is asking users for a lot and people still don’t seem to understand what a community is. All the pretty words people used when we migrated over was all BS apparently. It’s weird since people clearly put in work but like, where are the mods/admins leading the community? Idk, maybe this stuff’s just too hard for mostly socially-stunted people to manage (including myself, raised on video games and whatnot)
Shortly before I was permabanned I got an intensely hateful PM from someone who created a throwaway account just for that. He claimed that all Arabs are pedos and rapists and Islam is a disease of the mind and Arabs are infected. He glorified the genocide in Gaza because ‘That’s what you get for killing Jews’.
His master account is probably still active and unblemished. He was probably the guy whose reply I gave got me permabanned
Why not try a different instance? .world is by far the worst of the major instances and the most friendly towards transphobia, zionism, fascism, and left-punching.
Idk, it’s honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don’t get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can’t vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I’m assuming there’s servers that get turned off at night or something
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
Idk, it’s honestly all a bit too confusing. I still don’t get how this place works. I just use sync and even then some servers/instances or whatever will say I can’t vote for certain posts/servers - idk, I’m assuming there’s servers that get turned off at night or something
“Instances” are like islands. There are other islanders you can interact with, with their own buildings, but people can visit your buildings from other islands. You can’t make another island your “home,” though, and just interact with their buildings. Some islands are on good terms, and some are on bad terms, and block each other.
What this looks like practically, are that you need to pick an instance that passes your vibe check. Scrolling by local on your home instance should be fun and engaging, and scrolling by “all” should show you more stuff you want to see.
Lemmy.world intentionally defederates from the more overtly Leftist instances, as an example, so it skews more right-wing.
Have a recommendation? I only joined world because it seemed to have the least requirements for joining and was maybe more popular. I remember other instances requiring you answer a bunch of questions to join or something like that
Go to this instance explorer, check out interesting instances, and scroll locally, anonymously. See the vibe! If you like the vibe, make an account or apply for one, and start interacting. You don’t have to delete your old account! I have 2, each on different instances, depending on my mood.
That was good info! Thanks
One thing I find interesting about Lemmy is that the modlog is public. This is the modlog for you on lemmy.ml (I assume you meant !worldnews@lemmy.ml since it seems to be the largest worldnews community). https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1572077
Note to readers: I’m not saying this user did or did not do anything deserving of action against them, but I believe public modlogs are a useful tool for accountability.
I was talking about reddit, but yeah
I got perma IP banned from reddit after engaging a pro Trumper in a debate about what candidate actually gives us any remote chance for legalization. They devolved to trolling. I matche their energy. Guess who’s comments got downvoted to hell (the troll) yet still is allowed to keep their account.
I swear these people act like school staff who prioritize protecting bullies over their victims. I cannot count the number of times I was accused of being uncivil when I decided to match the bullshit of trolls and bullies.
It’s because reddit had a rightwing mod takeover and they really do favor the bullies… like look at all the nazi stuff/subs there. Reddit is compromised
Yea. These people basically get ahead by taking advantage of the decency of others. But once you match their energy, How dare we be so indecent?
That’s OK though. I now know what it takes for them to understand we can’t be fucked with.
Back when Reddit was both good and the only option, we could laugh about being banned from the Trump sub.
Lots of mods on my favourite bits of Reddit left for lemmy, they were replaced by admins and the admins’ friends
It’s easy now to get a site wide ban if you participate in big subs (and a myriad small subs with the same mods) and don’t share the mods’ politics
I got banned for criticising Israel too
my experience is such that people don’t get these sweeping bans for having opinions. They get them for acting like sociopathic aggressive individuals.
And based on what I’m seeing when I check folks’ profiles reiterating the same story… Yep it checks out more often than not. There’s no discourse on the internet when it consists of calling people slurs in a weird barrage of insults. Those are the people who get banned here or there.
Reddit still has niches that (unfortunately) exist nowhere else, probably won’t exist anywhere else soon due to the need for foot traffic, and are tolerable as long as old.reddit.com stays up.
And it’s the lesser evil over Discord.
Lemmy is of course 1000x better, but it doesn’t matter if your niche there is a ghost town.
I only lurk on Reddit these days, but if old reddit goes away I’ll be completely done with it.
anything worth value, is 3 > 4 years old, and all those users are “deleted”.
if google and duck duck go stop indexing old.redd, I’ll probably never see it again.
But, at least trying to grow said niches didn’t hurt. I’ve been on lemmy for more than a year and i’ve both created new horror groups and “adopted” abandoned one and, at the very least, now there’s some life there. Nothing amazing, but people post and interact now.
If a group you find interesting is abandoned just start posting there, also, if the mods are gone for more than 9 months, just ask to the instances admins to become the new Moderator, all it took is to send a mail most of the time.
Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.
The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.
I insulted a mod unknowingly on a subreddit like a decade ago (all I said was that his advice was idiotic) and since then every time I mistakenly post on that subreddit, my account get permabanned and then all my other accounts get permabanned as well. What a completely stupid website.
This happened to me for a Pro palestine comment.
Today they accidentally unbanned me because they can’t even run their platform properly.
My account has an “suspension appeal rejected” message and is still running, fucking hell
They didn’t even say anything, the account Is just suddenly not banned anymore
FYI, you seem to be new here and seem not to be far-left. For your future enjoyment of lemmy, note that Lemmy.ML is a communist instance and therefore you may not like some of the content there.
I don’t hold any ideological leanings and don’t mind communists and marxists.
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I want to choose Lemmy but I use Reddit more because Lemmy has technical problems, it keeps logging me out after days or few weeks, Reddit keeps my session for months or years
Have you tried to change instances? I’ve tried a couple and didn’t had this issue so far.
Staying here and reporting issues would help Lemmy, you know? Much more than just complaining it isn’t as stable and mature as a commercial product developed by a company for years.
Logging you out from the website of your Lemmy instance or from a mobile app?
If the latter, try changing app. If the former, try contacting your instance admin, or see if there’s a mod/admin community. Worst case scenario, move to another instance.
I agree, I really really want to move completely to FOS, even maby help other people over. But there seems to be many technical limitations.
How can we create a FOS social media for all 😭
Mine never logged out since last time a server side update required relogin(nearly a year ago)
why not both 💃🏻
Because the other one suuuuucks. Moda suck badly, management sucks, it all sucks.
So where do you go for tech advice, niche hobbies and obscure activities?
I go here. If there isn’t the right sub yet, I make it, start advertising it on Reddit.
After Reddit closed the API so that spez could get his 100+ million bonus, yet I no longer was allowed to use my RedditIsFun app, it was game over for me. I deleted 13+ years of thousands of my posts and replies, 150K karma, fuck it, don’t care, not leaving that so an sociopath can enrich himself
I umderstand your reasoning and I sure hope the fediverse will succeed. I doubt the normies will come over any time soon, but that is not really a bad thing. What is bad tho, is the fragmentation of data over so many instances, duplicate communities not knowing about each other and the censorship some instances apply. I don’t even know how some of these will get fixed or if they will ever, as they are core part of a decentralized architecture. I miss infinity tho, eternity for lemmy worked for a while but it’s no longer maintained :(
I think it’s an imperfect solution for an imperfect world. Centralized systems just censor your talnthey don’t like and you’re done. This does open the door for extremist instances, but what’s the alternative?
Lemmy: with account and active participation (but lurking most of the time) Reddit: using RedReader without account to browse all those best posts from days past.
