US chicken companies pioneered restricting sleep to keep birds eating around the clock.
A new study (Li et al., 2026) recommends giving chickens just 2 hours of darkness nightly to maximize the time they spend eating. The study and photo are Chinese.
We know chickens have far better hapiness with 7–8 hours of darkness to sleep.
But they eat more and grow faster when they are sleep deprived.
This is beyond fucked up…I cant stand what we do to animals.
Reports like these are the reason I couldn’t stand eating meat anymore. Went vegetarian first but learned soon that vegetarism is just meat eating with extra steps. Everything thats for vegetarians but not vegan contributes to the same suffering as eating meat.
It’s all worth it even with all the shit I get to eat from other guys for being a vegan man.
Get a vegan cookbook,vegan suppliments and be part of the change.
You need supplements? What about pesticides? Any concerns there?
Poisons and toxins concentrate dramatically for every step up the food chain you go. It is called bioamplification.
Pretty sure they are asking about the concern of pesticides killing plants and animals to protect the food being grown, and where that fits into the vegan lifestyle.
No, there is an incredibly large cohort of meat eaters that come up with creative ways to justify their behavior to themselves. In this case the argument (which I’ve heard hundreds of times) is that if you eat so much more plant matter in order to meet your nutrition needs (i.e. a lot of beans and soy) you are going to eat way more peaticides simply because of the increased volume of consumption.
Such people have never thought even once about what food their meat eats.
Ya there’s not really a good excuse that doesn’t end with im lazy and like the taste. Maybe some dietary requirements or allergies that I’m not aware of I guess.
Its a hard switch but I really should get on it.
Despite what the internet militants tell you, it’s not all or nothing. If every person skipped meat just once a month the impact on global warming would be measurable.
Yeah my goal is to replaceynweekly meal prepa next week with vegan options instead of meat heavy
Nah, they’re cool with killing all the non cute animals and destroying the natural habitat of animals to make way for super farms that just kill everything in its path.
It takes far less land to meet dietary needs with vegan food than with diets that include meat.
40% of worldwide grain production is used for animal feed. The calories obtained from eating the animal ~10% of what is used to feed the animal. We could fully replace meat, calorically, and free up more than a third of the land worldwide that is used for agriculture.
I’m not even vegan, but there is undeniably less environmental footprint to eating more plants and less meat.
Where do you think the stuff the meat animals eat comes from? You think there’s not millions and millions of acres of land producing solely cow food right now? Do they go out and pick all the feed corn by hand so they don’t crush any little mouseys nearby? Do you think a cow might require more food than a human?
Another post comes out highlighting yet one more of the enumerable ways we humans absolutely ruin the lives of other animals. Like clockwork, the few people who actually take the simple, reasonable steps to approach a better way of life get dogpiled by all the others who have their bag of holding ready with every stale excuse and outright lies about veganism to continue the status quo.
We are in a thread about one form of cruelty towards chickens - only one small part of an entire supply chain of fucked up that is going on right now more than ever - which would probably lead to a whole multiple weeks of news and outrage and lawsuits if it was done to humans.
And you decided that your goal was going to be to come in here and automatically decenter the conversation away from the animals because you wanted to argue with vegans?
Listen, whatever your self identity is, if you are doing what you can to stop supporting these things, that’s awesome I’m proud of you. I do not care about identity politics, especially when it gets into the No True Scottsman obnoxiousness. If you are doing what you can, with what you have, that is good enough for now. And I hope you’re able to feel inspired to push things further.
But if your whole thing is to just come into these posts to argue with vegans, first of all, get a real job. Second, look, I don’t care to frame things around whether someone is good or bad. We all just do things, and there are consequences for those things for better or worse. This isn’t about vegans, this is about literally every species of animal on the planet, both including and excluding us.
Every time we pay for an animal product, we are complicit in all the things being done to both humans and other animals to get that product. That is the cold hard reality. That is never going to go away unless we all collectively change.
But if your whole thing is to just come into these posts to argue with vegans
fairly certain that this post has nothing to do with vegans and everything to do with chickens.
I don’t come here to argue with vegans. Vegans come to these posts of their own volition. If anything I’m a huge supporter of free-range vegans that feel it necessary, nay, compelled to argue of their own accord.
I’m just here as an innocent bystander, eating my tendies and being unfairly judged by vegans through their smug sense of moral superiority. no different than the christofascists that tell nonbelievers that they will burn in hell for all eternity for not accepting jesus christ as lord.
ironically, vegans have another thing in common with christofascists. Having a victim simplex so powerful they tend to make the actual problem about themselves. here’s a post about mistreatment of chickens, and yet many users like yourself have made it about how poorly people treat vegans.
shame on you!
Wow, how long did it take you to type all this? I must have really struck a nerve when I called you out for being a psycho. Maybe consider not doing that, and you’re really not helping your case here.
see, there you go making it about you again. you have a strong persecution complex, you should consider seeking help with that.
I mean, it goes both ways. There’s a dude talking about how there are humane farms that don’t abuse animals, every reply is a comment from a vegan on how such a thing is impossible.
So dude is talking about simple and reasonable steps to a better way of life, and it’s the vegans dog piling.
There’s truth to your argument in a vacuum, but like they say, there is no humane way to butcher an animal. Ultimately they go to the same slaughterhouses, which if you go to the link I commented, are awful places for both the animals being slaughtered, and the people who routinely develop ptsd and are often in circumstances where they are all but forced to work at such places.
Plus there’s a reason factory farms are the way they are: that’s what’s necessary to keep up with the demand for animal products. So-called “happy farms” are not scalable.
It’s really not an improvement at all.
You’ve moved from simple reasonable steps to wanting an overnight lifestyle change.
Local farms with local butchers are leaps and bounds better than factory farming. If we can agree on that, what is the problem with someone moving to utilizing those services if that is as far as they are willing to go at the start?
It sounds like you mean well, but I’ll try to break down the problems with your reasoning here.
You’ve moved from simple reasonable steps to wanting an overnight lifestyle change.
Not necessarily. What I condone is progress. If somebody says, “I can’t go vegan yet, but I’m going to go a few days a week without eating meat”, or maybe, “I think I need to start by going vegetarian,” then those are things I support. They demonstrate an active reduction in the quantity of animal products consumed, as well as the intent for further reductions in the future. Ideally this hypothetical person would have a fully animal-product free lifestyle as their goal.
Local farms with local butchers are leaps and bounds better than factory farming. If we can agree on that, what is the problem with someone moving to utilizing those services if that is as far as they are willing to go at the start?
I’ve been trying to think of an appropriate analogy, and I think I’ve got one. Rightwing Libertarians like to claim they support environmentalism, but if you look into the particulars of their platform, what they support is an overall expansion of fossil infrastructure, claiming that building new systems and upgrading old ones improves efficiency, and therefore these investments are good for the environment.
But it should be needless to say at this point that we have to get off of fossil fuel dependence, and make a real renewables transition. The former ultimately just deepens dependence on unsustainable systems and reinforces old habits.
It is the same pattern with so-called “happy farms.” To begin with, whenever these farms are actually investigated - abuses are still very much rampant. You can see an example of this in the documentary, Pignorant, by the well-known Youtuber Joey Carbstrong. Even if you’re not vegan, I highly recommend watching it cause it’s a great documentary and a riveting example of independent, undercover gonzo-style journalism.
I would also recommend watching the documentary Cowspiracy, because that one goes into depth on how the so-called “regenerative pasture farms”, which tend to overlap with happy farms, are actually not only completely infeasible in terms of scalability, but are probably overall worse for the environment due to the sheer land use that would be needed for them in a world where animal ag land use is already insane and unsustainable.
What needs to be understood here is that in actuality there is nothing extreme about being vegan. It’s not a purity thing. It is a moral baseline. It’s not “unbalanced”. It’s not any more at risk of nutritional deficiencies as any other diet if you do it right (in a nutshell, legumes, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables in equal measure, plus a b12 supplement is a solid foundation for the majority of people, and customizations can be made for other needs. The Daily Dozen is also a good foundation).
The hard part is just overcoming old habits, and breaking out of the sheer societal pressure and gaslighting to think you need to eat animal products. Once a plant-based lifestyle is firmly established, it doesn’t feel hard at all. In fact it makes a lot of things easier and feels outright liberating. For one simple example - not having to deal with raw mutilated body parts contaminating literally everything they touch anymore. I would go so far as to say plant-based cooking is easier and more convenient overall.
When you put everything together into the bigger picture - the moral horror that is inherent to treating other sentient beings and their secretions as commodities, the utterly devastating and unsustainable environmental impacts that result from it, the continuous and unavoidable pandemics that result from it, and even the impacts on personal health which include most of the western world’s biggest killers - it is not at all extreme to be vegan; it’s the dependence on animal agriculture that is truly extreme in the highest. It only requires removing the source of your conflict of interest to make that fact obvious.
The vegan life is the dietary and lifestyle equivalent of the energy transition. It needs to happen, and it is only the steps that lead in that direction that should be celebrated.
Ok a surface-level duckduckgo of “Li et al 2026” only gives me twitter that’s related (which’s also an unlinked image)
I seen similar claims that DO actually have sources before, so I know this type of stuff happens in the meat industry, but still please link the sources.
I wasn’t able to find the article on Google Scholar or Kagi either. Given that “Li” is the second most common surname in the world, it would be nice to have a bit more for a reference.
Before deciding to not eat meat just because assuming that every farm is the same, they’re not. Some are very nice: https://youtube.com/shorts/mMNt2p6q1Rk?is=je575dm84zgaSCLu
You can do what you want to do but there is no “nice” or “humane” way to exploit and kill animals.
They breed animals who like to be killed.
This is such a weird argument to have. Whg is it better to kill a happy animal?
It tastes better
hope you’re getting paid
in delicious chicken strip tendies.
Not letting people sleep 8 hours naturally does the same thing.
I’m not sure where this 6 to 7 hours for sleep figure comes from. And I’m not saying that to push any agenda. I have birbs for pets and I’m actually rather specifically interested in avian biology. As far as I’m aware birds don’t sleep in standard sleep cycles like mammalian animals. They sleep in small bursts that last only a few minutes but they do it hundreds of times a day.
We may create a world that accepts this and this could become acceptable and eventually get us in ways we cannot imagine right now.
Simulating meth when they should just add weed.
I don’t really have an ethical problem with it, unless we all want to hunt for our own meat then the way we grow and harvest stock is what it is. But the quality of chicken has decreased over the past decade. That’s what I take issue with.
The quality of everything has decreased over the past decade. Deregulation and the use of crises to shadow egregious profit-seeking will do that.
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Is animal torture funny to you?
Pretty sure that one is already dead.
In a thread about animal suffering, they posted an animation clearly depicting an end result of that suffering, which is obviously meant to mock the situation. Therefore, animal suffering is funny to them.
suffering of any kind isn’t funny.
but it sure is delicious.
Damn, doubling down, bold move. I appreciate the honesty, thanks for signaling to others that you are probably not a safe person to be around. 👍
of course I’m not a safe person to be around.
I’m a stranger from the internet. what’s wrong with you?
copy pasted from reddit in 2012
like sneering slurs at a civil rights demonstration. I hope you grow enough to feel ashamed.
embarrassing.
copy pasted from 4chan in 2006.
Now imagine rogue ai does the same for us
Rogue AI ? I want to do it right away for the people who run these hell on earth operations.
Nope. Technology usually democratize the power, so you have to use AI
but why?
we eat the chicken. what purpose would an AI have to do this to humans?
Oh, let’s unravel this.
We’re driven by our survival. Sometimes irrationally and pathologically - that’s why people hoard wealth, for example, because wealth has been associated with survival probability and why not.
AI is engineered to be driven by user prompts. By intentions given it by the user. Why not answer the request of being more happy with a suggestion to sit inside a cage?
Oh, let’s unravel this.
proceeds to wrap the concept in a plaster cast
do you even understand what you just said?
Does pope shit in woods
The vegans are right.
Always were.
Why do you think the meat industry has to perpetually expend capital to drag their cause through the mud ?
and the pandemics
FYI caged hens are no longer common in large parts of the western world and even in the worst countries, like the US, the percentage of caged hens have dropped under 50%. For meat chickens it’s even better with practically zero in cages.
Talking about lightning the EU mandates 6 hours of darkness. Don’t know the US rules. I’m assuming it’s much worse there as it usually is.
cage-free and free range, doesnt mean they arnt all packed into together, where disease spreads. the key to look for is pasture raised, with sunshine free-range outside. bougie eggs have regeenrative, garden raised.
Please don’t fall into the ‘cage free is fine’ delusion, because putting so many chickens in a square meter that none of them have personal space is probably about as miserable for them as being in a cage. If anything it can be worse, since chickens can and will attack and eat injured chickens.
That doesn’t mean they get sunshine, fresh air, green grass.
This guy gives you a good glimpse into the realities of farming.
https://m.youtube.com/@blackbirdcoop
Including calling out the subset of bullshit “free range” farms.
Even for meat chickens not in cages, they’re bred to be so big and grow so fast they can hardly walk and many just die of heart attacks as they get too big.
Laws vary by state but iirc, California banned caging entirely, including imports. That said, cage free doesn’t mean quality of life.
I notice a huge difference with the more expensive eggs cause real free roaming hens eat lots of bugs and produce better eggs with deep orange yolks. Though, naturally scammers ruin that cause some orange hued eggs are dyed so buyer beware.
They’re not dyed they’re just fed beta carotene supplements. All orange yolks are from beta carotene supplements, deep yellow yolks are the natural color of a nutritionally healthy chicken
