• psion1369@lemmy.world
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    I have read many comments here about how horrible it is that the rich get everything and we need to make the opportunities equal for everyone, I think they are missing the point of the comic. At the end, Richard’s view has been filtered through the things he was given as something that happens to everyone. Nobody told him that he was given privileges that Paula doesn’t have access to. To him, everybody has access.

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      Yep, which is why over the course of history Marxism took hold of the Socialist movement, rather than previous Utopian Socialists who believed they could simply “convince people” of Socialism being better, and reality would form around that, like the Owenites.

      Marx added that the ideas people have come from their Material Conditions, which is a core concept to Dialectical Materialism.

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        So what you are saying, in plenty of words, is that because the dude has the material privileges he thinks that the world has the same access to them too?

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          Not quite. That’s one part of it, but not necessarily.

          People hold ideas based on the physical reality they experience. People who grow up in wealthy environments are more accepting of worldviews that either justify or rationalize this, ie the myth of “meritocracy.” They can believe that others do not enjoy the same access, but can believe that hard work can get anyone where they are, as an example.

          This has further implications. Fascism, for example, isn’t spread because it’s an “appealing idea,” but as a response to decay of Capitalism, typically. Anlyzing the mechanics of why certain types of ideas become broadly accepted based on change in material reality is useful for preventing dangerous ideas as well.

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            I wish we could make a population with even the basic reading comprehension to understand these facts and then people might start taking advantage of our most powerful tool, democratic voting, to make real changes to how wealth is distributed.

            But to this day when you suggest such a thing, people will default to images in their mind of everyone being forced to wear grey jumpsuits and stand in line for hours for a potato. We have the technological and productive means now to socialize many elements of our lives that would give everyone access to more resources and benefits and lower poverty and needless suffering, which helps everyone, even those already privileged.

            But the capitalist narrative will push back on these ideas to its last, dying gasp, even as the world starts to burn and people lose everything, we will still see people arguing for “job creators” and how the wealthy are responsible for all our comforts, and that the socialist alternative will mean people will never own anything… as capitalism takes people’s ownership of everything.

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              I wish we could make a population with even the basic reading comprehension to understand these facts and then people might start taking advantage of our most powerful tool, democratic voting, to make real changes to how wealth is distributed.

              That’s why Leftists abandoned electoralism a long, long time ago. The system is deliberately designed against significant change in Class society, ergo Leftist theory is centered around organization and building dual power.

              But to this day when you suggest such a thing, people will default to images in their mind of everyone being forced to wear grey jumpsuits and stand in line for hours for a potato. We have the technological and productive means now to socialize many elements of our lives that would give everyone access to more resources and benefits and lower poverty and needless suffering, which helps everyone, even those already privileged.

              People’s ideas are generally a product of their Material Conditions. Socialism may be correct, but people’s class-interests largely influence what ideas people accept.

              But the capitalist narrative will push back on these ideas to its last, dying gasp, even as the world starts to burn and people lose everything, we will still see people arguing for “job creators” and how the wealthy are responsible for all our comforts, and that the socialist alternative will mean people will never own anything… as capitalism takes people’s ownership of everything.

              There is a rising Leftist current as a response to Capitalism’s decay, what remains is organizing that response and building up dual power.

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            The concept of noblesse oblige really needs to be restored and expanded. Most of us have advantages we don’t understand. It’s why charity and compassion is so important.

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              Noblesse oblige is unnecessary if you work to eradicate Class society in the first place. Convincing Capitalists to work against the forces of Profit to be nicer people will never work, that’s why Utopian Socialists all failed.

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        But the entire society is conditioned to do it.

        We are shown celebrities before we learn to speak. All around us are those recognizable idiots who rarely have benefited humanity in any meaningful way but have very, very marketable faces. All to make us poor pay for their luxuries.

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    This is one of the best visualizations of this issue. I regularly think back at this comic, awesome!!

    And, again, this does not negate the fact that Richard worked hard to get his degree and worked his company’s ranks. It should not be about pushing down the Richards of the world, it should be about pulling up the Paulas, and strive for a world were everyone is a Richard [relating to the comic, not all white men or we would be doomed ':) ]

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      Careful, thinking like that will get you branded as a communist! /S

      We need to make things more equitable for people.

      Instead we are left with this:

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      Based take. I love how this comic depicts problems and privilege and you put it really well. I’m sick of people tearing down Richard.

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    Needs extra last panel where Richard tells Paula “if you don’t like your job just get another one you like”

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      I absolutely agree with this comic, and in a lot of ways I was the kid on the left.

      I struggle with the solution though. Isn’t it the purpose of all life about giving your offspring a better chance?

      When we give the kid on the right more opportunity, the left side will keep increasing their investment until it’s lopsided in their favor again.

      Maybe it’s not about trying to reach some theoretical absolute equity, but keeping the distribution at a healthy balance so that one side is not completely locked out of the game. That’s healthier for the whole community too since healthy competition ensures there’s progress.

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        Isn’t it the purpose of all life about giving your offspring a better chance?

        A better chance at what? Becoming a member of the parasite class?

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    This comic strip only hints at the race and gender aspect of it. Myself, a not so impressive product of the working class with a not so great track record, has managed to better than most. When I think about my pastey white skin and the junk between my legs I am never very impressed but to think that I’ve won some sort of cosmic lottery. Society has some major flaws you guys.

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    Most things came rather easy to me throughout my life. I was talking before most kids my age, reading earlier and more advanced material than other kids. I never truly struggled in most of my classes, generally performing in the top 20-25% without really trying that hard, mostly out of laziness. I’ve always been quick to pick up musical instruments, figure out how mechanical things work, and was confidently disassembling and reassembling computers at a comparatively young age. I did not complete college and simply worked numerous jobs over the years. I didn’t have much money growing up and had a number of financial struggles until I landed in what was essentially my dream job a couple of years ago and am making enough money to be comfortable (not rich).

    Am I a self-made man? Not in the slightest.

    I had older siblings who encouraged me to talk and reading materials of various levels that allowed me to learn at an organic pace.

    My mother was a teacher and about 50% of our toys were educational. In fact, my parents used to give us “fun” workbooks when we were children, which made homework less of a chore later in life.

    I grew up with instruments around me and the means to purchase just about any reasonable instrument that interested me, meaning I had a wide array of instruments I enjoyed at my disposal.

    My father was an electrical engineer and a pioneer of the PC revolution, so we had internet when most kids didn’t even know what “online” meant, piles of decommissioned computers for me to fuck around with, and a functioning computer in every bedroom and office when most homes didn’t have computers and any with a computer only had one that the family shared.

    I dropped out of college due to boredom and worked whatever jobs I wanted to because my parents said I could continue living at home as long as I was studying or working.

    I had financial issues because I had problems spending money I didn’t have on things I didn’t need. Even at my lowest points in life, I had a roof over my head and family who could have bailed me out of any situation I got myself into. My parents had plenty of money. While they didn’t hand it to me directly, they paid for every opportunity possible for me to learn and grow.

    A couple of years ago, a job opened up at my work which turned out to be the perfect cross-section of my work-experience, hobbies, and home-projects that I’ve had the opportunities to work on. I was recommended to apply for the job based on this facade of a “highly intelligent, self-made man” that my old boss held of me. But I’m really just a beneficiary of my circumstances.

    Now, I live in a house that my wife and I own because we were able to buy it at a reasonable price from my grandparents when they moved into assisted-living. My wife and I each drive our own cars that I help keep costs low on between my remote-hybrid work and the amount of car repairs that I can do myself because I was afforded the time and opportunity to learn them when I was younger. I also do a good portion of our home repairs, upgrades, and renovations myself because I had the opportunities to help my dad do similar-ish things growing up.

    In all reality, I was born upper-middle class and have managed to work my way down towards the lower-middle class. My parents did not accept nor encourage failure and they didn’t have enough money or influence for me to fail my way upwards.

    But I’ve always had the opportunity to just coast. And here I am: a child of just enough privilege, challenge, and cognizance to see how easy it is to end up struggling and to recognize what an asshole looks like.

    Not enough privilege to need an award for having some semblance of self-awareness, but just enough to enjoy upvotes for admitting it.

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    This comic would be better if on Richard’s recruiter’s screen he was also rejected, but recruiter approved anyway.

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    Natives had it right. There is no privilege when the tribe raises a child. Western nepotism has been a plague on this earth for thousands of years.