• kersploosh@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    4 months ago

    The community was removed from lemmy.ml by their admins. Here’s the reason in the modlog:

    Unmoderated duplicate of /c/usa . Any world-related can use /c/worldnews

    • btaf45@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Geez I can’t believe a major group was nuked just like that. I never noticed anything about it being unmoderated but thank you for providing the explanation.

        • btaf45@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          4 months ago

          Geez even with decentralization we still have people making bone headed decisions. What is the best/strongest politics group that is not lemmy.ml nor lemmy.world?

          • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
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            4 months ago

            !Pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net might interest you. It’s an experimental community that employs a really interesting bot that scans users all across the lemmyverse, and prevents the most toxic people from participating. It seems to work fairly well, so far.

          • kersploosh@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            4 months ago

            There are so many politics communities, but before you mentioned this I didn’t realize how concentrated they are on .ml and .world. These look like the most-subscribed USA and World politics communities that aren’t on .ml or .world:

            !politics@hexbear.net
            !politics@beehaw.org
            !usa@midwest.social
            !worldpolitics@lemmy.ca
            !geopolitics@lemmy.run
            !politics@sh.itjust.works

            [Edit: Though I listed them here, the hexbear and beehaw communities are not accessible to large swaths of the Lemmy user base due to instance defederations.]

            • btaf45@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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              4 months ago

              Thanks for the list!

              I’ve heard bad things about hexbear and beehaw. But I looked at these other two.

              !politics@sh.itjust.works – unfortunately too many dumb restrictions.

              Rule: Title must match the article headline <-- definitely a deal killer because often journalists use dumb headlines or leave the most important things out of the headline.

              Rule Recent (Past 30 Days) <-- also a deal killer. Relevant is more important the recent. They are not the same things. “Recent” is only an imperfect proxy for “relevant”.

              usa@midwest.social – We have a winner!

              Rule: Be respectful and civil. No racism/bigotry/hateful speech. <-- perfect

              I would also welcome suggestions for “news” groups outside of lemmy.world and lemmy.ml. usnews@lemy.lol is okay so far but I’m always looking for possible alternatives.

        • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.eeEnglish
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          4 months ago

          Central planning committee knows what’s best now eat your slop or it’s the gulag for you /s

    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Lemmy & the fediverse needs to be more modular.

      We need… something like a “transfer, merge, fork, split” for communities.

      For example, if these guys are just going to nuke that content, another instance should have the opportunity to either fork it, or merge it with another community. Its mostly the same stuff as would have been in c/Politics here.

      And what it does now, is it puts even more editorial power in the hands of fewer people (ones that ml probably) don’t vibe with.

      Classic boneheaded decision.

      • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        4 months ago

        We need… something like a “transfer, merge, fork, split” for communities.

        People can do it currently. I’ve done it a few times, for all for cases. You just make an announcement on the community, or on !newcommunities@lemmy.world if you are splitting from a power tripping mod.

        • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          4 months ago

          I meant in a technical sense. As in, hey here is a community with a mod on a power trip. I’m going to clone it, it lives here now: !somewhere@lemmy.world

          For example, we could have cloned this sub and its contents and merged it into c/politics.

          • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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            4 months ago

            But then what prevents someone from cloning a community to 50 instances, or cloning 50 community to 1 instance? Seems like an easy abuse vector

            • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              4 months ago

              Yeah idk. This was a criticism that I brought up of the fundamentals in lemmys structure early on: it selects for, effectively, clones of “whole reddits”, when it should be set up to support more balkanized instances.

              Basically, lemmy.ml’s c/Politics is functionally redundant to .worlds c/politics; but thats by design.

              What I think would be better would be adding tagging and taking federation a step further. Every post needs a ‘tag’; we steal that part from mastadon. It can have many, but it needs at least one, say #politics in this example.

              Then, on instances, federation happens both at the instance level but also at the community level; communities can federate with other communtiies. But all posts get #tagged on the way in the door. Communtiies can then federate or defederate at will, and if neccessary, a community can “branch”; for example, maybe they want to split off US politics from politics; then you grab all the posts with the #US.

              As far as an abuse vector. Thats just hang wringing. IF your mods are that abusive for a large sub, you’ve got way bigger issues. Which, if it did ever happen, is something that “forking” would solve. Mod on a power trip? No problem. Fork the community.