Fun fact: you can legally just steal a house if nobody is living in it for an extended period of time and you get away with living in it for an extended period of time (not legal advice btw)
Generally the squatting has to be open, and hostile. Idk why hostile that has always seemed odd to me. But you want to get bills in your name as soon as possible for instance. You want to make some improvements to the property if you can.
Around here you have to pay the property taxes for several years in a row, if the actual owners realize after a few years and start again, you’re just out the money. Which… seems like a good way to only pay your property taxes once every few years, if you don’t mind your property going to hell (lots of folks around here do not, based on the number of burnt out houses).
Civil forfeiture could actually be improved in some cases, like if you just give up and move along and your house is a nuisance attracting crime and squatters, your neighbors should be able to fix that by petitioning for ownership, instead of having to wait until the house is worthless and likely burned down for anything to be possible.
I think also, like a neighbor built their driveway over my property under the old owner (2 of them did actually, one he put a chain over it in a couple places, other one woman called the sheriff and made him back off and let her steal that little bit of what is now my land. But her use maybe is like hostile, at this point I couldn’t get it back, although this is a little different than squatter laws it’s kind of from a similar place in the law I think.
So her use was hostile, so I can’t get it back. If it wasn’t, if she just asked can I use it, and I would say sure, then I could reclaim that piece, because I was letting her use it. Still seems weird to me but I think that’s how it works sometimes.
Neighbors are dicks out here, some of them, always trying to prevent people with property from accessing the private road network they have gates up on. Judge finally told them to fuck off and threatened to jail them, so we all got the code, but they can change it again at a moment’s notice. I should get some thermite, if they lock me out and just melt through that bitch. But that’s all another story.
My nan and her neighbor back in the 60s cut a shared driveway leading to both garages. The houses are on a hill, that sort of flattened out a bit on the property line, mostly on the neighbors side, so grating that one section to flat was just cheaper. By the 70s, the neighbor had passed, and their adult children moved out of state. The house had collapsed in and was vacant until it sold a couple years ago.
In the intervening years, she made various improvements to the drive, first having it built up, then eventually my BIL had it paved for her. By our states laws, she met every element adverse possession of that strip of land, except it being hostile, because it was initially agreed to, preventing her gaining outright ownership. She did, however, eventually apply for an uncontested ‘right of way’ over the property, guaranteeing her access, and preventing a new owner from just buldozing the driveway and forcing her to cut a new and costly one into the hill on her land.
Fortunately, the new owner was also nice about it, and despite rebuilding with access to the house coming from the side street(his lots on a corner) did not try to get the ROW moved or removed, and instead added it as a restriction onto the deed before selling the house on, removing any future owners ability to contest it.
That is interesting. I think your nan even without that agreement could apply and probably get an easement, to be able to use the drive to access her property. I’m not sure how it works exactly when Nan could build her own drive but the other is already built, but lots of people and companies get easements, not the least power companies, to access lines, oil wells, other infrastructure, etc.
I don’t think I could get that piece of land back. I don’t care though, we are both new owners, I have only seen the owner twice in 5 years, he’s alright, came up to deer hunt this year, and his property has all of these blue spruces he’d have to cut through. If he did it to screw me I would be mad, if he asked I would let him.
The other guy was the one that mattered more, 100 or 200 yards by 10 or 20 yards his drive was on my property, and I think he cut down a bunch of trees too, it’s all forest except for that part anyway. I haven’t seen them at all in 5 years, but have 2 cables still up between trees so no one can drive back there.
Why not steal the house directly?
Palestinians hate this one weird trick
Jjeeesus fucking christ, dude
Too soon?
Dark humor is still humor, but goddamn that one hits like a truck
Fun fact: you can legally just steal a house if nobody is living in it for an extended period of time and you get away with living in it for an extended period of time (not legal advice btw)
Squatter laws differ by State.
Yeah that’s why you shouldn’t take what I said as legal advice
CA has them I know.
Generally the squatting has to be open, and hostile. Idk why hostile that has always seemed odd to me. But you want to get bills in your name as soon as possible for instance. You want to make some improvements to the property if you can.
Around here you have to pay the property taxes for several years in a row, if the actual owners realize after a few years and start again, you’re just out the money. Which… seems like a good way to only pay your property taxes once every few years, if you don’t mind your property going to hell (lots of folks around here do not, based on the number of burnt out houses).
Civil forfeiture could actually be improved in some cases, like if you just give up and move along and your house is a nuisance attracting crime and squatters, your neighbors should be able to fix that by petitioning for ownership, instead of having to wait until the house is worthless and likely burned down for anything to be possible.
You sound like someone from detroit. Lots of abandoned and burnt down houses there anyway.
Maybe to prevent the law from being abused for capital transfer tax fraud. But that’s just a guess.
I think also, like a neighbor built their driveway over my property under the old owner (2 of them did actually, one he put a chain over it in a couple places, other one woman called the sheriff and made him back off and let her steal that little bit of what is now my land. But her use maybe is like hostile, at this point I couldn’t get it back, although this is a little different than squatter laws it’s kind of from a similar place in the law I think.
So her use was hostile, so I can’t get it back. If it wasn’t, if she just asked can I use it, and I would say sure, then I could reclaim that piece, because I was letting her use it. Still seems weird to me but I think that’s how it works sometimes.
Neighbors are dicks out here, some of them, always trying to prevent people with property from accessing the private road network they have gates up on. Judge finally told them to fuck off and threatened to jail them, so we all got the code, but they can change it again at a moment’s notice. I should get some thermite, if they lock me out and just melt through that bitch. But that’s all another story.
Similar scenario but without the hostile element:
My nan and her neighbor back in the 60s cut a shared driveway leading to both garages. The houses are on a hill, that sort of flattened out a bit on the property line, mostly on the neighbors side, so grating that one section to flat was just cheaper. By the 70s, the neighbor had passed, and their adult children moved out of state. The house had collapsed in and was vacant until it sold a couple years ago.
In the intervening years, she made various improvements to the drive, first having it built up, then eventually my BIL had it paved for her. By our states laws, she met every element adverse possession of that strip of land, except it being hostile, because it was initially agreed to, preventing her gaining outright ownership. She did, however, eventually apply for an uncontested ‘right of way’ over the property, guaranteeing her access, and preventing a new owner from just buldozing the driveway and forcing her to cut a new and costly one into the hill on her land.
Fortunately, the new owner was also nice about it, and despite rebuilding with access to the house coming from the side street(his lots on a corner) did not try to get the ROW moved or removed, and instead added it as a restriction onto the deed before selling the house on, removing any future owners ability to contest it.
That is interesting. I think your nan even without that agreement could apply and probably get an easement, to be able to use the drive to access her property. I’m not sure how it works exactly when Nan could build her own drive but the other is already built, but lots of people and companies get easements, not the least power companies, to access lines, oil wells, other infrastructure, etc.
Can’t you just be “hostile” and take back what’s yours? And yeah thermite that bitch.
I don’t think I could get that piece of land back. I don’t care though, we are both new owners, I have only seen the owner twice in 5 years, he’s alright, came up to deer hunt this year, and his property has all of these blue spruces he’d have to cut through. If he did it to screw me I would be mad, if he asked I would let him.
The other guy was the one that mattered more, 100 or 200 yards by 10 or 20 yards his drive was on my property, and I think he cut down a bunch of trees too, it’s all forest except for that part anyway. I haven’t seen them at all in 5 years, but have 2 cables still up between trees so no one can drive back there.
Sugar Bear?!
What?
Have to steal a flatbed first