When I was 8, I remember being bored and curious and touching a lot of parents stuff… phones… wallets… legal documents…
Most parents don’t put their stuff in safes…
Like… THE WALLET IS RIGHT THERE… I COULD JUST GRAB IT!
If they had age verification stuff back then… I could’ve just… quickly snap a pic of their ID and just YOLO it…
Anyway it’s not about Age Verification, it’s about control, coercitive control. You go to an environmental manifestation and your dad get a call, that type of thing
Conspiracy brain.
Read the debate about age-verification in the places where it’s been implemented.
Yeah it’s for deanonymizing your online activity so they can sell it to data brokers, who will then sell it to anyone who can pay. Anyone, including ad agencies, fascist governments, law enforcement, religious extremists, people who hate you for existing, etc. It’s not theoretical it’s right there in the open. Maybe the literal people taking your ID won’t do anything to you directly, maybe, but the data about you they sell without a second thought will be bought by people who will and do.
No it isn’t. No Labour MP (for example) put forward that argument in favour of it when it was implemented in the UK. The law in the UK is popular, because porn use among children is seen as a problem.
Oops I fed a troll. Imagine anyone not telling the whole truth! Heavens to betsy, the inhumanity!
I understand this argument with US politicians, and especially the Republicans, who can all be assumed to be in the pocket of big business, but I don’t think you’ve gone through any of the UK politicians in support of this to see what their business connections are, never mind the majority of them. For example, pulling the first MP I found speaking in favour of age verification on Hansard, what makes you think Iqbal Mohamed is in this for the benefit of data brokers? (He’s not a Labour MP, I should say) Have you ever heard of him before today? What about Lewis Atkinson, who also supports age verification? His job before politics was in the NHS.
There is this extreme cognitive dissonance about this debate, where people are unable to deny the obvious truth that, unlike us, most people are in favour of age-verification regulations, yet insist that this simply does not feature in the motivations of politicians in implementing such regulations.
I’m not a troll. I’m not naïve. But I am also not so idiotically cynical as to believe that the motivations of politicians are wholly based on servitude to business, wholly divorced from the motivations of the general public even when those motivations align.
The law does nothing but push adults and underage users to unregulated platforms. They (the general public and the politicians) don’t understand the internet. You don’t understand the internet if you think this accomplishes anything. The only way for children to be safe on the internet is by educating their parents.
This is binary thinking and is false. The law does do something by putting up an obstacle to seeing porn. Hundreds of thousands of children are seeing porn by accident, way before they are ready, not because they’re horny little teenagers. Yes, those who are highly motivated will find it, but you should not be this absolute.
The cost of this law in privacy violation is not worth the benefit it brings to children. But it still does bring a benefit, and you’re unlikely to convince anyone if you can’t see where they’re coming from on that.
Most age verification providers also require video with the person’s face doing specific movements, which is then matched with the ID, so stealing an ID probably wouldn’t be enough.
Not that it’ll stop kids from trying, and sending their parent’s ID to some random sketchy company without their knowledge anyways.
I’d just buy my child a VPN to avoid this shit.
100% this.
There’s a smart mart where I grew up that was built in the late 90s. https://www.yelp.com/biz/smartmart-memphis-2
Basically what it sounds like. A fully automated neighborhood convenience store before automation was really a common thing. Actually very similar in appearance and function to the automated Carl’s JR. in Idiocracy.
When I was in highschool my friend’s mom used to just give her ID and send her down to the smart mart to “buy my smokes.” That was 20 years ago, but I’m really not sure how tf it would be any different with this tech?
I think they even had some kind of early frt that was supposed to scan the face of the purchaser and match it to the id. Funny thing about genetics, you often share similar facial features with the person who gave birth to you.
Also, this is a bit of a tangential point, but even if you weren’t trying to “abuse” the automated system’s safety features, there were still unintentional glitches that resulted in kids being exposed to things they weren’t supposed to be exposed to. Like when I was 16, I was bored and went to smart mart one night to get a drink. Somehow ended up receiving a free pack of zigzags with my Yoohoo.
The network state tech already glitches all the fucking time. They’ve repeatedly exposed sensitive government data and put all of us at risk of identity theft while claiming to have some kind of technocratic elite status that makes them qualified to lead America and do the stupid shit they keep on doing. This age verification bullshit is just the latest very poorly disguised invasion of privacy in the name of safety, and it is so fucking obvious nothing good will come of this.
In reality, they don’t know wtf they’re doing other than gaining more control that will enable further exploitation. And it’s not even like we have a say in whether we choose to use the enshitified tech. They’re forcing it on us. Idiocracy has become mandatory reality thanks to the nanny network state full of “libertarians” who despise regulations, until it comes to regulating the private lives of citizens.
Since it’s their shitty private monopoly being shoved down our throats, still paid for with our tax dollars but not government run in the traditional sense, it can’t possibly be oppression, and we should thank these technocratic experts for steering us into the fucking ground.
And that’s not even taking into consideration how creepy and concerning it should be to anyone with two fucking brain cells, that we’re obviously enabling a network of wealthy pedophiles, (who have repeatedly proved themselves to be above justice), to have the ability to just create a database of children across the U.S. that they will then be able to track and locate every time they use a device or walk past a surveillance camera with live FRT. What a fucking nightmare.
Yes. None of these laws prevent children from viewing porn or whatever. It just forces them to do this or go to unregulated sides.
This is what they are OK with. As long as responsibility is out of their hands in any legal sense instead of actual solutions that don’t undermine privacy. They are OK with it.
My parents would have beat my ass if I did something like that. That was a pretty good deterrent.
Actually, it’s been proven to be a very ineffective deterrent in child psychology studies. It just teaches them to not do it when your actively present and try even harder to not get caught.
Plus the lifelong psychological scars of being assaulted by a figure you trusted to keep you safe from harm but those are a separate topic.
No arguments from me there. I was saying when I was a kid if I had done something like that (and got caught) it wouldn’t have been a gentle, loving conversation about why it was wrong I’d have gotten. I certainly wasn’t advocating it.
IF they find out.
My mom kept her purse by the door, mostly, not in her bedroom. If age verification had been an issue, I would have sneaked downstairs at night, slipped out her DL, taken a photo, and registered on whatever sites I needed.
If they sent some sort of verification to her email, I’d just log in, answer it, and delete the email. Of course I know her passwords, I showed her how to do it, and I’m always fixing some dumb thing she did.
Any kid is going to figure this out faster than me.
How would they find out if you put it back immediately after using?
Parents have a way of knowing shit like that, believe me. It certainly wouldn’t be a risk I’d needlessly take; that’s for sure.
Parents aren’t psychic
True, but they can tell when their card is put back in the wrong pocket, or upside down, or other tiny clues that hint of someone messing with their stuff. Kids sometimes think parents know more than they do, or “have eyes in the back of their head,” simply because kids don’t pay attention to the same details their parents might. Their parents can deduce what happened from clues, clues that the kids don’t realize they left.
A very careful child might get away with it, but if their parents are equally careful they’ll probably notice something is amiss. I guess it all comes down to “your mileage may vary.”
