Hopefully this rewrite gets rid of all the bizarre ui things they keep adding, like the unremovable friends list on the right side of the screen
Either it’s collapsed and taking up too much space, or it’s expanded and HIDING THE MEMBERS LIST!!! Meanwhile, the actual friends list already exists and does the same thing without taking up screen real estate
And by “rewrite”, they mean point Claude at a vague spec and hope for the best.
This is the way
Looks like the RAM crunch is starting to affect more than just greenfield projects.
Good. Electron is a bloody memory hog. We don’t need to squander 300Mb of memory just to display 15Kb of text. And then rinse and repeat with multiple other apps like BitWarden Desktop.
You listening, BitWarden? The browser add-ins are fine, the full-fat desktop app needs to lose some serious weight.
I’ve begun switching from jetbrains IDEs to Zed because of the memory usage. I want snappy.
This is the creator of BitWarden and we hear you! Because of this we’re getting to release an update and give you what you want. AI, AI everywhere inside BitWarden for your convenience!
The one good thing that’s come out of the RAMpocalypse is devs finally considering writing their software in more efficient programming languages and systems. Every app that gets away from web browser-based backends is a plus in my book, free memory on my system, and less energy usage to save my electric bill and CPU cycles - plus, it very lets older compys be useful again.
You just know it’s basically vibe coded
I’m torn here because I didn’t know what’s worse… Electron shit or AI shit.
On the plus side, the AI shit will at least be a proper application and not a web browser pretending to be an application.
I wonder how long it will take for Vencord to work on it though.
vencord is unlikely to continue unless they reverse engineer the new binary, and if they do, guess how they’re probably gonna do that.
Tough question. I hate electron so much that I might be leaning towards AI shit.
I kinda feel the same way and I don’t know how I feel about feeling that way.
Fun! I’ll get to moderate a Discord server for blind people that blind people can’t use on desktop!
Seriously, anything on GPUI reads as “empty window” to screen readers.
Well that sucks. Do you know if Tauri is any better in that regard?
Unrelated to Rust, I assume Qt6 has the expected accessibility features wired?
Fun! I’ll get to moderate a Discord server for blind people that blind people can’t use on desktop!
How would a rewrite cause this to happen? Is there something about Rust frameworks for the desktop that exclude accessibility features?
I’ve been working primarily with C#, but none of their frameworks exclude accessibility features… would be shocked AF if Rust frameworks just left that all out.
I checked the gpui crate and it has an accessibility module that uses AccessKit, but I can’t say if it actually works.
Without knowing what framework is in use its hard to say. Hell electron had accessibilty issues for a while
they literally explained the problem in the second sentence of their comment:
Seriously, anything on GPUI reads as “empty window” to screen readers.
s/Discord is rewriting/Claude Code is rewriting/ig
Doesn’t matter whatsoever since Discord as a company is total garbage.
The problem is that Matrix doesn’t allow you to opt out of video streams when you’re in a voice chat. And Revolt doesn’t even have video-streaming. Discord’s video-streaming is incredibly robust on average, though I, too, long for a competent, free competitor.
Me and some friends have been using fluxer recently and it’s been pretty good, streaming works like discord so you have to click into it. It’s very similar to discord UI wise so it’s been easy to get people to swap over, and it supports self hosting which has been nice. Only complaint is that it’s missing the built in soundboard discord has but that’s a pretty minor thing.
You can’t opt out of video streams when you’re in a voice chat. Is it really that big of a deal though? I mean it’s a problem, but not something to discard Matrix over… Unless of course you have some other complaints you haven’t metioned. Regardless, it depends on what client you use. Matrix being decentralised means you have to choose a client, and it’s up to the client devs to have the features you want implemented.
Gets in a Discord VC on mobile
One person turns their camera on
5 minutes later
You’ve exceeded your 2GB monthly data allowance. Purchase more data at $10/GB
Yeah, not good to force on video, especially on a mobile client.
if your data is limited, yeah it’s a huge deal. voice takes a smalll fraction of the data video does.
Fair. If this is the Element client they’re talking about, I don’t know why they haven’t implemented that yet because they’re the biggest one. If it’s another client though, it’s a problem with the client, not Matrix.
Oh, Matrix can do it in general? Hmm…
Have you tried Kallisti? It’s built on top of Mumble
Never heard of that, thanks…
Oh cool, this is new to me. Seems pretty recent and heavy on AI-assisted code, but the features look awesome. Definitely keeping tabs on this one. Appreciate the share!
Sounds pretty good until you realize it’ll be Claude generating all that code.
I just can’t imagine rust by an LLM, that must be wild to maintain.
To be fair they already adopted rust in 2018 so maybe not all of it
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Oh, so they’re killing Vencord, the only thing that made their shit-ass service kind of viable? Very cool.
But not vesktop from my knowledge
You can also just use vencord in your web browser
Yeah, I’m glad we’re no longer getting a browser pretending to be an application, but it sucks about the fact that Vencord is gonna be busted
Great, but the client is not why Discord sucks.
It blows my mind that it took a decade for them to realize that they should make a proper desktop application. It used to be pretty obvious from the get-go…
Can someone please do the vencord thing on this client plz
Stop using Discord.
My dnd group plays on discord, they ain’t switching and I’m not gonna just stop one of the few joys I have in life
I use vesktop, a heavily customisable and privacy friendly Discord app for this exact reason.
I literally want to video chat my friends for D&D and the occasional Minecraft and get one of the most tedious and bloated pieces of software in existence. Why does my calling program have mini games, paid emotes and lag like a truck? I genuinely don’t believe I have a hope in hell getting my friends off it, so that’s my compromise.
Discord being used like a wiki or forum can die though. Who thought a chat log was a good place to have guides and news, and how the hell has that not died long ago?
Vesktop is not privacy focused.
Discord being used like a wiki or forum can die though.
I miss being able to find good guides on forums.
Your D&D group can get fucked. So can you if you use that as an excuse to stay on a platform actively participating in fascism.
I can see why you don’t struggle with the network effect.
No, you don’t see some things are more important than your own personal convenience.
I’ve dropped people I’ve known for years over this. People I thought were better. But no, they, like you, like everyone else, don’t care about the lives of other people so long as you’re comfortable.
How is somebody using discord “contributing to fascism” to any meaningful degree? At that point you might as well kill yourself since buying food also contributes, since in most places the only options are all shitty companies that are way worse than discord.
If there ever is an alternative that is also free to use, has (almost) the same features or more and has a at least halfway decent UI & UX, I’m more than willing to switch. But the only software I found that was pretty much on the same level as Discord (besides popularity) got bought and killed shortly afterwards by Roblox.
Matrix, use the sable (2.0) client
Sable Next >>
The upstream Sable is slop.
Fluxer and Stoat
Fluxer is shit as it’s not-so-Libre and also asks you to pay for stuff that should be basic and free.
Apparently if you self host you can have everything be free. Its just on their own instance that has the premium which I think is a good way to fund the project
While I don’t know what the restrictions are on the official fluxer instance, I do think it’s worth noting that if you self host everyone on your instance gets everything for free and you can set the limits for file upload and similar stuff to whatever you want, plus self hosting was pretty easy compared to when I tried it with matrix.
Last time I used Stoat it still had the old name (can’t remember what it was) and it was miles behind discord. No idea how much changed since the rebranding tho.
Fluxer on the other hand sounds pretty promising, I’ll look into it.
Fluxer is primarily what I use. Iirc Stoat is more libre
Fluxer will get Federation and E2EE early next year.
Stoat’s also working on federation, using maybe Polyproto.
That is fanstastic
There is. There are.
Matrix with either Sable or Cinny.
Matrix using Sable Next or Cinny, or Extera Next, or Nheko Reborn.
Or Stoat.
Have you tried Kallisti?
You mean they asked Claude to rewrite their app in Rust like fucking everyone else is doing rn?
I can’t say they didn’t, but at least they have a track record of doing Rust rewrites from pre-LLM days. As a fan of Rust, I wish it weren’t a company like Discord getting the headlines for doing this type of thing.
https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to-rust
The UI framework is literally vibe coded claudeslop by a guy who didn’t know anything about graphics rendering by his own admission: https://youtu.be/j2goZBL156Q?t=2012
The real question is which is the greater evil, AI or electron…
Well, right now you can use the existing web client in Firefox.
In the future you may not.
It looks like it might be possible to target wasm (at least GPUI can), so hopefully Discord won’t kill their web client.
If I have to use it, I’d much rather run their software in a sandboxed environment like a web browser than install a program that can then do whatever it wants with my user data.
One steals ram you don’t have, one steals ram you already own.
Sam altman interest piqued
Ngl I would rather use an awful Electron app than an AI slop “open source” rust slop.
My first thought also
