Basically just something people say that indicates a position indirectly, like how seperatists from a given region might always say they’re from [region] and not [country] or how trump supporters call AI “SI” now.
Saying “Foreigners” but only when talking about non-white people.
In germany words like “Alt-Parteien” (old partys), “Links-Grünversifft” (left-green drenched) and “System-<insert_adjective_or_noun>” get exclusively used by far-right people. Or the classic “<x-nationality-adjectiv> Volk” like “deutsches Volk” is classic nazi talk to avoid using “arryian” and still refer to ethnicity/culture threw the racial theory lense.
Using the German Empire flag or any variation of it (black white red) is a big give away. Or sadly over using the german democratic flag (black-red-gold). But there are efforts to reclaim the democratic flag by democratic forces.
Thorsteiner clothing brand is a very good give away and anything related to prussia, iron cross in any shape or form (unless it is on actual military vehicles obv!) Be it neckless, tattoo sticker or what ever and the gothic/germanic font.
Small note: versifft afaik has a strong connotation that drenched does not have, so the translation sounds to me almost neutral whereas it’s more like “filthy left-green-like” (or something — translations are hard!)
I’ll contribute. I refer to my wife as my “partner”.
People on the left just continue conversation no problem. People on the right pause and you can see the wheels turning.
I’m a white not very masculine male.
Very good example, thank you, whenever someone says “partner” I immediately assume they’re at least somewhat woke.
Okay, but what if they also have some ridiculous 10 gallon hat on?
I’m from Texas, so it works both ways… Pardner hat tip 🤠
I’m from Oklahoma, I wear a ten gallon hat most days to work my acreage, to walk my doggies, when I have to work markets, and I’m so woke the coffee needs me to get it up early in the morning.
Okie here. “Pardner” is one thing. Put a hard “T” in it and it’s another.
English is so fucking weird. Then I read about various Chinese dialects and think, “How could anyone learn that?!” Same as I learned English I guess. :)
It’s not actually accurate to spell it “pardner”, it’s more of an emphasis on softening the “tee” sound because that’s how you’d say it with a southern accent.
🤦🏼♂️ Nobody, even in the South, calls their love interest, gay or otherwise, “pardner”. They enunciate parTner.
I never said that hahahah?
They might just use the English language correctly.
Woke is in partners with grammar
When they say “property” on the other hand…
I mean, if there’s a safe word involved…
The next level is referring to women as “devices”
Feeemales
Saying it like this is a dog whistle for Ferengi sympathizers
“No, don’t worry, Mr. Conservative. I’m male, she’s female, your norms aren’t being broken yet.”
“…Yeh, but partner implies she’s your equal. That don’t sit right.”EXACTLY 🙄
Partner sounds more serious than boyfriend or girlfriend anyway.
“Partner” sounds like “spouse” to me, without the marriage ceremony.
What about Pardner? More or less serious?
Reminds me of how someone posted that he likes to tell people that he’s not gay but his husband is. And then watch the reaction.
I do this. Someone called me out for pretending to be gay. Stolen valor!
I was just like. Sorry? I tried to be inclusive. Oh well, can’t win 'em all.
I’m sorry to hear that :( some people can’t be happy unless they’re angry at someone I guess.
Another white not very masculine male here - which I think is every bit as normal as being a woman who isn’t an insanely hot babe. It’s weird when things that are almost fringe become unattainable standards for a vast majority who really have no reason to feel inadequate.
The “white not very masculine male” piece was added to highlight that some people make assumptions about my sexuality when I use the word partner.
I’m plenty confident and happy with myself. I’m pretty fit, just not big.
I’m happy to give out hugs though! The marketing world is hell bent on making people feel inadequate so I understand your sentiment.
Yes! Normalize this!
Fuck yeah. Nice
The first time a friend referred to me wife as my “partner”, I questioned his choice of words because he was well aware that I’m not gay.
Like, I would still just carry on in convo, but if I hear “partner”, I make a mental note that they’re gay. The correlation has close to a 100% hit rate.
Hetero people who don’t believe in marriage and/or don’t like husband/wife titles sometimes use titles like partner too because girlfriend/boyfriend doesn’t sound serious enough I guess. Common amongst my social circle but I get why it’s usually a dog whistle.
Also literally everyone in Europe
“partner” sounds like you’re lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use “sambo”.
We have a perfectly good word in the English language, it’s “partner”
“partner” sounds like you’re lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use “sambo”.
We have a perfectly good word in the English language, it’s “partner”
It doesn’t work quite as well in English
…no, no it does not. wow.
You know what’s funny about that? A lot of my hetero friends also say partner.
I started using it because it removes the baggage that gendered terms carry. My wife is my best friend. I like to do everything with her. We split chores pretty evenly.
Whereas, especially since gay marriage has been legal here a lot of gay couples very intentionally use wife/husband because of how hard the fight for that was
One day the venn diagram will become a circle.
yeah we started using it because we were past dating, but not married. it seemed appropriate.
Yet another use case! Not sure I’ve heard it that way in my area, not much anyway. Even us old folks say “girlfriend”/“boyfriend” if unmarried.
A lot of my hetero friends also say partner…
…in my region of English speakers.
Fwiw I do this in three languages. It’s not just English. It’s literally all spelled and pronounced partner and means partner. Somehow even the connotations stayed intact. There’s probably more languages that I don’t regularly speak that have it too
…in the USA. I have friends and family all over.
Online, at least, I’ve probably heard more hetero people than gay people use “partner.” In some cases they were in fact perfectly conventionally full-blown married, they just weren’t interested in sharing any more details than they had to to tell whatever story they were telling, because that detail wasn’t important for the story.
That checks out. You’d use the term to be deliberately vague. Online, you’d be giving away your gender and marital status to the scraperbots. In person, a vague response lands differently. Particularly when speaking one-on-one.
This is a you issue
It’s really not an issue.
It kind of is though.
Sure, but we’ve already established that you lack self awareness, so…
I know many (myself included) who are in heterosexual relationships and say partner due to not being married. It’s a pretty common thing…
It’s a pretty common thing…
…in my region of English speakers.
Well people who aren’t speaking English probably aren’t using an English word, yeah. No shit.
Same. You’re getting downvoted because lemmy cannot allow for regional language distinctions. Not even different countries, regions. It’s a big world.
No one where I’m at would refer to a married couple as partners. Nothing wrong with that, but it usually connotes a gay relationship.
I promise you it’s not that. It’s the way that individual wrote their comment. Like it was offensive to be considered gay. Why does it matter?
And you keep trying to tie it to a region. I think the only “regional” distinction you can make is rural vs anywhere else. But that’s more population density related not regional. It’s not really a pop vs soda situation.
Maybe you and this other person should reconsider your assumptions about the usage of the word “partner” hahahaha.
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Gawd but he NAILED me. Listening to Wait Wait and rasing chickens. Which are, btw, fantastic for making compost.
They’re also good for making sure no food ever goes to waste. They eat anything and turn it into eggs. Gotta love yard birds.
RIGHT? It either goes to the dogs or the birds. It’s fantastic.
Dude municipal compost is fucking amazing.
Trash doesn’t smell anymore.
The voters pamphlet was full of them. “Common sense family values” means they hate trans/gays. “Law and order” means they support ICE. “Activist judges have gone too far” means they want to be an activist judge but for the other side of the issue.
I would consider all of those Nazi dogwhistles nowadays. There is no courtesy left for the right, it is very clear what kinds of fucked up shit they support
“No courtesy left for the right” is now going into my back pocket for later. Love it.
Argued with someone that their use of “common sense” was a dog whistle… Sure enough, their next line was about the “family vote”…
This was in response to a Trans Rights comment chain. Like wtf is the “family vote”? Trans people have families too.
Family vote = man of the house votes and women don’t vote anymore. No, they don’t acknowledge anything other than the stereotypical husband, wife, and 2.5 children as deserving a vote.
“Common sense” annoys me from researching gun laws and solutions. It’s shorthand for, “If you don’t believe this way, you don’t have common sense.” I’ve made an effort to drop the term both online and IRL.
Law & order = whatever orders they make up are the law of the moment.
I’m a self proclaimed crazy cat lady. I also work in a field that has a lot of interaction with the police. I used to have a pin attached to my work badge that said “All Cats Are Beautiful”.
What? I just love cats ;)
Now I’m thinking about making badges that say “Assigned Child At Birth”.
This took me a while
It’s taking me longer help me out
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ACAB - all cops are bad.
ITT people talking about Nazi dog whistles
I was voting and one of the people I looked up for judge had “EMPATHY” as a big point for her, considering a lot on the right have said empathy is bad/a weakness/the problem and judges are supposed to be nonpartisan I considered it to be a dog whistle. She also had a lot of good stuff in her background but having EMPATHY in big bold letters seemed purposeful
Something not one sole nazi had in the Nuremberg trials according to a journalist investigating evil, so yeah a good sign IMO.
I always throw an occasional “streets ahead” in my conversation just to see if they’re a Community watcher. Most of the people around me are streets behind, though.
it’s like giving them an all tomato.
An all tomato on a nice fresh baggle.
exactly, hand them a sandwich
You either take all the tomato, or none of it
That’s usually when I use my escape goat.
They may be a community watcher, or they may be British. Further investigation required.
I’ve never seen “Community” and I’ve never lived in Great Britain but even I know what “streets ahead” means.
I used to do the same thing. Then I decided to actually look up the saying and found out they are both pretty coming British phrases. I was very disappointed.
I don’t think this is true. Or maybe it was at some time in the past. Streets ahead isnt a common British expression, at least in my experience.
one shibboleth i noticed is that any mention of “race” strongly indicates that the person speaking is American, especially if it’s conflated with nationalities. “I’m [number]% [nationality]”, any use of “mixed race”, and stuff like “I can drink a lot of beer because I’m German” or “this recipe offends me as an Italian” are dead giveaways (and quite racist in my humble opinion)
I think a lot of the nationality stuff is because Americans are desperate for some identity of heritage. America is made of immigrants. Most people have no idea where their ancestors came from, unless it was relatively recently. If you’re in Germany, almost everyone around you is German and you have a shared identity. In America, no one knows where you’re from. American can be considered an identity I guess, but it doesn’t have much history. The history it does have is the lack of a homeland, and stealing it from others.
So yes, I guess it’s a dog whistle (usually those are intentional though), but I don’t see it as racist.
Seconding this. Its not racist at all, but a deep cry for some kind of uniqueness and being special because of the hyperindividualism of USA-culture. Europe is seen (and often treated) by US-americans as a theme park, an attraction.
To build on your example: inside germany, when you ask where one is from, you’ll get the culture/region. Saxony, bavarian, swabian, baden, franconian, hamburger, holsteiner, frisian. Or often even just the city lol No german, unless outside of germany and speaking to someone not german, will say they are from germany or german. And even then, though that is mostly bavarians, they might just say their region/culture.
US america doesnt have this past and sense of identity and belonging that even just your city in europe has. Except maybe NYC.
Portsmouth UK, proud harbor city and its identity is tied to everything seafairing. Has been since its inceptions by the romans. Same with Kiel, Hamburg, Lübeck (there ofc without the romans lol)
What identity does Portsmouth USA have? As faar as i know, none.
Even when i, a german, were to move to france or ireland, i still will be german/swabian at heart. No matter how long i lived somewhere else. Or where my long ago ancestors came from.
To touch on the Portsmouth VA USA (more associated with the larger Norfolk area) thing, I’ve lived near there. It actually also has a strong connection with the navy too. The largest navy base in the world is in nearby Norfolk, there’s a massive shipyard, and a ton of military. The history is obviously not nearly as old though.
The military thing actually removes some of its culture though, because it means a lot of people aren’t from there. They’re just there for a few years while stationed there and then they’re gone. I’ve never really thought about this, but could this be a deliberate attempt by the US military to destroy a sense of culture for military personnel, to ensure their only loyalty is to the government?
After the big protests in France there were a million bots posting racist stuff on Reddit. They kept referring to “liberals” but none speaks like that in France. Liberal is the word you’d use to describe corpo-centrists like Macron, never to describe leftists.
It was kind of like the 3 fingers meme from inglorious bastards.
Yeah. "Liberty’ and “freedom” here is also defined differently than in the USA. Probably thanks to the french revolution and Napoleon spreading it.
Here it is “liberty/freedom OF” while in the USA it is “liberty/freedom TO”
Need to give Zelenskyy a few more drones to take out Russian datacenter troll farms.
Then go donate!
Then the gestapo would arrest me for “funding terrorism” while themselves funneling millions to both Russia and Ukraine.
I think it’s because immigrants wanted to preserve their culture when they came to the US, and that got passed down but was diluted over the generations, so you have people who have a very specific pride and identity that has deviated from the original.
In many cases the “original” deviated even more. It’s not like culture has been static in Europe for four hundred years.
? I’m talking about a scale of only a few generations and the USA hasn’t been around for four hundred years.
I’m talking about the timeline of European colonization of the Americas, which is the point of immigrant cultural divergence. And I’m actually off by over a hundred years, as the oldest continuously-settled Euro city in the West is Santo Domingo since 1496.
But even a shorter timeline an awful lot changed in Europe through the 1900s. A lot of “traditional” cuisine came after WWII.
That timeframe is a much larger cultural gap than what I was depicting, but regardless, it was not meant to imply that other countries remain stagnant.
Someone who’s family came from India two generations ago might still identify as Indian even though they never have been there, for example.
I hadn’t heard this theory before, but it does actually make a lot of sense.
“I know pasta, my great grandmother was Italian”
Yeah, how do you know your great grand mother wasnt the worst fucking cook in the village? Maybe her food was so bad that her family had to get on a boat and move half way around the world where nobody knew about how shit her cooking was.
Hey, it’s obviously extraordinary any way, they compare it to normal american food.
My favorite dog whistle (that went over my head, because I was not the audience for it) was the Subaru “Come out and play” commercial.
If I remember it correctly, the ad was mostly footage of Subaru SUVs driving over rocks and through streams while a voice over talks about the cars’ off-road capabilities. The ads would always end with the narrator saying "Subaru invites you to come out and play.”
As a straight man, I always assumed that the commercial was about how much fun it is to drive a Subaru up a mountain. Apparently, I was missing the point. The nature footage was all a distraction to pacify the straights. The real commercial was just the sentence fragment “Subaru invites you to come out”. It was meant to say that Subaru supports queer people. It was a resounding success in promoting the ‘Subaru driving lesbian’ stereotype.
Are you certain it’s not a reference to that one scene from the 1979 movie ‘the Warriors’?
I can hear those clacking bottles clearly
There was a whole campaign in the 90’s. The license plates were mostly lesbian coded, they included the Wizard of Oz cast or a certain lesbian tennis player, I think another tag line was “let’s go camping”. It was fun finding out about that because I had a lot of the National Geographic magazines that they had add pages in.
That seems like a big stretch of interpretation, no?
In one of them the license plate said Xena. It’s a whole campaign originating from market research saying that lesbians were disproportionately likely to buy their cars
People saying that in response to learning about a dog whistle is how you know it’s a good dog whistle.
Are you sure this whistle is even making noise?? I don’t hear anything…
It’s fully not, the head of marketing at the time actually has done multiple interviews about it.
“Subaru Lesbian” had become a meme in the queer community, and someone internal to Subaru found out that on self-reporting surveys of Subaru owners, Lesbians made up a surprising amount of the respondents
So Subaru decided to embrace it, with thinly-veiled advertising targeting lesbians
Yes and no. Subaru has a strong reputation in the queer community (or at least used to) because they were one of if not the first conpany to publically sponsor a queer sports player (female tennis player if memory serves correct but im sure somebody will correct me if im wrong). So even if not their intent, it’s easy to see how it could be interpreted as such. They didn’t earn the name “lesbaru” for nothing, they actually intentionally advertised to the queer community going back to the 90s if I’m not mistaken !
I thought this was more well-known. So much so that on the Karate Kid sequel series Cobra Kai, Johnny Lawrence is offered a Subaru and he quickly dismisses it because he’s not a lesbian.
The more you know.
Still seems like a stretch but it hurts nobody to believe it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯NPR did a podcast episode on it. Subaru basically realized that their car specifically resonated with lesbians due to various usability niches and so they decided to lean heavily into it. But it was the 90s, so they needed to be sublte at times.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/10/14/497958151/episode-729-when-subaru-came-out
It does not matter what it seems like.
It is fact.
Now hold on, I don’t care about sports or cars but I like lesbians, and the Subaru ad and the female tennis player were all part of a fiction television show, about lesbians called, “The L word.”
I don’t think these things happened in real life.
I’m too young, but it was real. It was such a thing within the lesbian community that shows like the L word were referencing it.
Well u made me look it up. They did a huge ad campaign with Martina Navratilova in the early 2000’s. Never heard of the L word show, but I suppose they had to be inspired by real life events seeing as how it was filmed after these ad campaigns took place!
Whoa
Are those dog whistles? I think of dog whistles as conveying a specific message to those in the know.
The examples you gave seem more like shibboleths - something that can be used to identify or rule out being part of an identity group.
Calling taiwan “taiwan” instead of china marks the speaker as not from the PRC, but it doesn’t send a specific message the way that republicans would say “welfare cheats” when they meant “black people”, trusting their base understands.
Yeah you’re right I did mean shibboleths, just didn’t know the term, sorry, should I edit the post?
Yeah, as @Tikiporch@lemmy.world said, the meaning is clear.
It’s such a fun word and i think it’s such a neat concept, but it’s annoying to use in a title cause it’s quite a rare word. But i find that once there’s a name for it, it’s way easier to notice it, so i like to mention it.
Where i live we pronounce couch st and schuyler st as cooch and skyler, and the police dept is the police bureau. Not knowing these things is used as a shibboleth that marks visiters.
Perfect examples.
No, everyone else knew what you meant.
TIL the correct word for this, good comment.
Wouldn’t a dog whistle be a type of shibboleth?
Dog whistles convey a message to those in the know, but without outsiders being able to hear it. (Like how a dog can hear a dog whistle but humans can’t.) A shibboleth would convey that you’re a part of an identity group without outsiders being able yo tell the difference.
Though I suppose dog whistles could also be phrases instead of words. Idk, there’s at least some overlap.
Your comment made me curious so I looked it up, and it looks like they are, and they’re called Furtive shibboleths. The more you know!
That’s awesome!
My favorite example is how francophone leftists or those who dislike america will call americans “USians”. (Américain -> États-Unien)
I call people from the US that as I respect the other nations in the Americas who are also Americans - from Chilean people to Canadian. All American. Neither of them USian.
But, I do also hate US Defaultism because it shows a lack of knowledge/understanding/awareness which only plays into the stereotypes that people from the US are stupid and ignorant. Which I think is disparaging to (some of) them, and they could show they aren’t by being using self-aware language. Hence, “USian” . It’s like how “woke” originated too - i.e. “awake” to institutional bigotry.
No one but those from the US claim the term “American”. Canadians do not want to be called American, and everyone else speaks a whole different language, and they prefer to be referred to by their county as well
It’s not US defaultism, it’s like calling someone from China Asian, or worse Oriental. It’s not woke, no one will thank you for calling them by a label you’ve assigned to them as an outsider
Not as a nationality but as a continental identity (yes, just one). USians changed the number of official continental regions and their names, but you can trace the history of that and it is very recent. Many historical documents of real Americans (from America, the continent) talk about themselves as both their nationality (Cubans, Mexicans, etc.) and Americans. Just as a French is both a French and a European. That’s why that’s still the continental model of some countries. I think it makes sense to call USians a name that’s not stolen from other regions or peoples, even in English.
What exactly is a continental identity? People have a cultural and a national identity, sometimes a regional identity, no one has a continental identity
Europeans kind of do, but it’s nowhere close to the continent of Europe, is it? The continent was named after a group of countries with a close history and a large concentration of colonial powers. The term refers to people of a region, it has nothing to do with continents no matter what taxonomy you want to use
More importantly, how is this at all useful? What concerns do you think North and South Americans share? How do you talk about the people on that half of the planet in a way that doesn’t minimize the interests of the majority of countries there? Time zones?
At the end of the day, it’s offensive to project a label and identity on other people. It’s infantilizing
Are you really asking what joins the people from such an isolated land? I mean, the rest of the world forgot/didn’t know about it until 1492. They were alone, just counting with themselves if they needed or wanted to. Thus, the history of the indigenous people from that continent is super intertwined, even if they were independent peoples.
As two examples, the Mexica (“Aztecs”) were originally from a region of the U.S.; the Incas traded with the Mexica. And it makes sense. The landmass itself has its history, and the fauna and flora are super unique and that made their ways of life different. No bread, no horses; they had their own basic foods and animals, their own cultures.
And then, after 1492, they share everything. The history of the U.S. is almost a copy-paste from other countries (or viceversa). I guess the difference is the Anglo ego that wants to pretend that their history is ultra special, when actually the blueprint of imperialism didn’t vary that much. More genocides, less forced assimilation than in some other countries. More appetite for conserving the black slaves than in other countries. Obviously, particular history, as in any other territory. But the history of that land (America, the continent) kept being absurdly close. What happened in one country inspired or affected others, to the point that the entire continent gained its freedom over a couple decades because it was contagious. Trade, literature, etc. There are literal degrees on the history of Spanish speaking or Romance language speaking countries, making the whole “North and South” not only obsolete but an absurd. How can you divide Panama from Colombia, especially after the 1500s? No way. “Then it’s Anglo vs Latin America” (conceding the point that America is the continent, by the way). No, that’s just disguised xenophobia and very inaccurate as what do we do with Belize, Guyana, Quebec…?
“But continents are arbitrary”. Yes. Europe is not separated from Asia, yet we divide them because of culture. If we respected American cultures, we’d do the same and recognize their similarities, their shared histories, their interdependence, and their sad subjugation in modern times to one of them: the U.S. (something something bananas and oil).
Testimony of the defense and use of that ‘continental identity’ is Our America (Nuestra América) from José Martí. It cannot be much clearer than that. Or the existence of things like the Journal de la Société des américanistes. American studies (Americanismo in Spanish, Americanística in Portuguese). IDK. It’s just so crazy to me, no offense, but it’s crazy that you asked what could they possibly had in common. Maybe listen to decolonial activists, indigenous activists, and actual American people outside the U.S…
It’s only ever done online, if you’re taking to people irl, it’s obvious via context. But online is global so it makes sense to talk in a global sense.
But in a global sense, if you say American people know who or what you’re talking about
The reason no one does it in person is because they would be swiftly corrected.
In fact, no one actually uses it on the Internet because no one would know what you mean… It’s just a meme argument that probably originated from 4chan
It’s literally the same as calling all Asian people Chinese. You can’t just pick the biggest country in a region (let alone an entire hemisphere) and fold everyone there under their label…No matter what Internet logic you use to justify it, it’s still offensive to everyone involved
Thanks for the comedy. I love how wrong you are. About everything you said.
A) it isn’t said online because of context. Everyone you’re talking to face to face will understand what you’re saying from previous parts of the conversation. It’s only online that you talk to people from all over the world in any given conversation so it’s better to be specific about areas. That’s also why people will say “The US” and not America. To many people, America is the continent, both North and South America. This just shows you lack in education and understanding how others see the world probably because you’re selfish and don’t think about other people from other parts of the world.
B) just because you’ve heard of 4chan and probably don’t understand it, you think everything you don’t like/understand comes from there. Such a Boomer take. Everybody would know what you mean if you called someone a USian. Unless they lack in education and understanding how others see the world probably because they’re selfish and don’t think about other people.
C) People do say “Asian people” quite commonly. They probably shouldn’t but they do. Asian means something different in different places too. If you said “Asian” in the UK, they would think you’re meaning India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. In the US, it’d be the “Oriental” countries. From Australia, it could also be used for South East Asia. You’d know this if…insert end line.
D) China and The US aren’t the biggest country in either of their respective continents. China isn’t by physical size OR population. Well done on being ignorant in multiple ways. Calling someone from the Americas “American” isn’t calling them USian, it’s calling them from The Americas. Insert end line.
E) Hemispheres. Western and eastern are colonial concepts and based off the Greenwich Meridian. Northern and Southern are based on a physical attribute of the oblate spheroid we call Earth and useful due to our axial shift. This shows lack of knowledge about the…you know where I’m going with this.
F) if you’re offended, meh, I don’t care. Don’t be a snowflake. Others aren’t. Get over it. I’m not punching down at a maligned group, even if USians do have both a superiority complex and a victim complex simultaneously - honestly the cognitive dissonance inherent in the psyche of the country should be studied.
Anyhoo, good chat.
… Wow. I think every bit of that was objectively wrong, except maybe the thing where it becomes obvious in person? I couldn’t make heads or tails of that part.
But the fact that you said “Asian people” instead of “Asians” proves my point
You apparently know it’s offensive… But you still seem to think it’s offensive to Americans. It’s not, it’s offensive to everyone else on that half of the planet (which is what a hemisphere is, no matter how you draw the lines)
On that note, you really should spend a few minutes with a globe…
I have tried to start using US Americans but have used USians in the past for brevity. For the same reasons, though.
I’ve started using “USA” and “USA citizens”. They’re not the only united states or the only Americans.
I do agree that American defaultism only hurts them, but at least in english it’s rare enough that saying “American” doesn’t count as US defaultism imo, I’m in Québec and I’d say at least 20% of people here say that.
yeah someone was talking to me like. well its not the name. the name is the united states of america. and im like. well its the republic of ireland but people just call it ireland. lots of countries have a sorta descritive official name with elements of what it is.
The corollary would be calling Ireland “The Republic”.
or I gues republiasian or something. maybe trasian. but yeah the republic would be like the united states. thinking about it its kinda wierder we use the united states often instead of america.
I usually call them the Cheeseburger people from Burgerstan
At least that’s funny
Or Magastan.
Ehhhh I’m an anglophone USian, and use “USian”. Am leftist though so maybe you’re onto something lol
I’ve never heard someone say that irl, although I have seen it on lemmy, but I’ve heard tons of people say the french equivalent irl, which is why I said it was francophones. It is based to say it in english though.
I don’t know French very well, but it seems like it works better, grammatically speaking, in French than in English.
Yes 100%, it’s incredibly clunky in english but in french it’s just as nice to say as the “American”
I’m Canadian, but so often “American” is considered from the USA. I’m not a huge fan of that. So I’ll usually use North America personally.
what a strange assumption to make.
Well, those were the stated reasons of everyone I asked.
wait, literally? you asked “why do you say ‘usian’” and they’ve responded “je hateux vouz guys”? i’ve always used terms like that because “american” seems too broad. i use “north/central/south” american" when referring to larger divisions, and us american when talking about the country specifically.
Well, not like “I hate Americans” but moreso like “I dislike the country that is the US, I dislike it’s influence and how it uses it’s power”. I am a francophone, and it’s why I use the term, the one time I was in the US the people seemed very nice.
“I dislike the government therefore I will be disrespectful to the people by refusing to use their preferred demonym.” Alright bud.
It’s in french. You don’t have a preferred demonym in french. It’s like how the Dutch call themselves Netherlanders, but very few people say that. (Or how in french they’re called Hollandais)
Also how is it disrespectful???
It’s in french. You don’t have a preferred demonym in french.
No, it’s a rarely spoken language here (though Américain is still more common than États-unien). But “American” is the preferred term when speaking English. Like how in English they’re “the Dutch” but in Dutch the people are Nederlanders.
Also how is it disrespectful???
How is it not? It’s a signal that the speaker is openly hostile, or indifferent at best, to the culture. We don’t want to be called that. It’s also not any less vague, despite the common justification of “America is the whole continent”. For one, there’s more than one “United States” (we are right next to the United Mexican States). For another, there’s rarely a reason to refer to the entire landmass because the only shared trait between us is that we weren’t “discovered” until Europeans came across the Atlantic. In American English we treat North and South America as separate continents. I know they’re often referred to as one in Latinate languages, but to us it’s about as useful as “Afro-Eurasia”.
i honestly took it as word play. I do word play all the time so I don’t think to deep about anything. maybe im dog whistling as I use trump for shit, ass, fuck and I have been considering adding cunt.
Ceationists calling it “intelligent design” rather than creationism
While there are definitely some non-nazi creationist, man, creationism is its own right wing agenda. Louise Agasazzi was a fucking racist piece of shit, and hated Darwinism because he thought all the “races” had a different origin. And then contemporary Creationists have their very ownMike Johnson who’s an author on the Answers in Genesis website. And Answers in Genesis itself is a Nationalist alt right political organization. Creationism is just excuse for them to hate the gays, the trans, and the abortors.
So yeah, I guess they aren’t technically Nazis…they are cut from the same cloth. They may not goose step, but they sure like carrying water for the goose steppers.
A creationist I worked with never used that word. He always described himself as “not an evolutionist” - I think he was trying to paint creationism as normal and evolution as the fringe.
Not quite related but in a lovecraft book “mountains of madness” I think…
He mentions a “war of resubjegation” which I loved. One phrase tells a story. There was a slave revolt. If the slaves won it would be called “war of freedom” or “the rebellion”
War of re-subjugation lets you know how that war ended.
(Apologies for the weird photo source. Only one I could find that includes the tribute text.)
How is that statue a “tribute to courage, patriotism, and distinguished service”?
That woman is going “These are my boobs. I am asleep.”
“Mom and dad this Casey, casey my mom and dad…Now show’em them titties” -bloodhound gang I think
Not so much a position as preferences and experiences, but the words people use to describe elements of music can often give away what they either enjoy or play. If you call a rhythm a beat, you’re probably into electronic or hip hop. If you refer to a song’s chord progression as “the changes,” you must like jazz. If you use Italian words (outside of Italy I guess!) to talk about tempo and dynamics, you were either in an orchestra or fondly remember that one time at band camp. If a phrase is a “strain,” you should get your lungs checked out. If the bridge is the “middle eight,” get a colonoscopy while you’re at it.
What happens if you ask for a double bass pedal at a practice room?
That sounds like the beginning of a joke. If it is, what happens?
I was banking on _NetNomad to pick up on my “yes and” and he delivered.
Neil Peart and Keith Moon come to you in a dream. Your astral body will be tested far beyond the drumming limits of your corporeal body. Upon success, you will ascend to the next level of existence. It is better that you do not know what happens when you fail.
> Go to practice studio to get some exercise and maybe improve my bad drumming skills
> Ask for double bass pedal because I want to try to play some fast metal stuff
> Get sent on spiritual journey
> Fail
> Now I have to spend eternity being tortured by the CenobitesWell shit.
Dual to the death with Mikkey Dee from Motorhead
Also less specific, but when people describe music as “tight” or similar, they’re usually a musician, or at least into music culture.
The narwhal bacons at midnight.
I miss that. I genuinely do. Back when it felt like a community and things were fun. I know it’s never gonna happen again, it was great to see it, but I miss spontaneous community fun online.
As someone who used reddit during that time, lemmy something feels exactly like reddit back then. Small communities and mainly consisting of a bunch of nerds
I feel that Lemmy is much less fun. Maybe it’s the time period but it just feels more like people being depressed and arguing with each other than anything goofy
I agree, and I think it is all down to what is happening all around us and the state everyone is in
Holds up spork
And my axe.
I actually was around a guy who said this IRL at a party one time in 2011. I recognized it, but also internally cringed so hard that I pretended I didn’t recognize it. I’m sorry, Sean.
You’re a good friend.
Friends don’t let friends Reddit.
Something about Obama and shoelaces? I can’t remember.
“If you know what I mean 😉” is probably the most common one.
No, Frank, exactly what is it that you feel uncomfortable saying but forces you to make everyone else think it?
Flip side of this one “it was the beer talking”
