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Urge to pirate, rising…
I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.
If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.
Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.
Necessity*
Or you could always just not play the game? Is that not an option?
But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.
Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.
Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> https://www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016
with good music too
After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.
Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.
If I can’t own, I pwn.
If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning
Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
+1 tell us the title
As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn
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What’s the game?
Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.
Probably Alien Dawn, it’s basically a 3D Rimworld clone
Yup, Stranded: Alien Dawn.
Same here, but “3D Rimworld” piqued my interest.
Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
Orcs & Elves
dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
IdBethesdaMicrosoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
GoG has DRM-free games: https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog
Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.
Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.
Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.
Oh no?
Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
Buying a game post-launch:
- Better prices; often on sale.
- Fixed and patched up.
- Extra content often included.
- DRM often removed.
No brainer, imo.
You forgot a bonus point:
- Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!
Runs out of copies? Is that a thing?
It’s ironic
Like rain on your wedding day?
It’s a free ride, but you already paid?
Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.
I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that
Like something about cutlery
Like eating mom’s spaghetti with a spork.
not for digital games.
Cons:
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maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
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Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?
Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.
Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!
Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…
Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It’s a beautiful cycle.
/me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator
A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.
Yeah, there’s so many good games and so little time, I don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t have a big backlog anyway.
cause they only play slop with huge marketing.
Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.
Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.
You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.
Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.
I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.
^ This is me.
Any indie devs out there using Denuvo?
Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo
And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.
I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.
I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.
Only the devs who don’t use Denuvo
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
What VPN and where are you located?
Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.
Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.
I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.
Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.
Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.
They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.
i wanted to buy it because i know it will be good.
but ill pirate it instead as soon as its cracked. thanks ill save myself the money, you fucks.
it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version
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Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.
Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
🥺 pwease money?
Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
maybe delays cracked version by a few days
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
well cheaters sure do ruin online games…
That’s anticheat, not drm
i know
Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft
The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.
Oh holy shit.
I think you’re actually right, it’s probably Denuvo tanking performance
How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
My recommendation is:
Temperature: 10000
Brightness: -10
Hue: 0 (default)
Contrast: 120
Saturation: 165
Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.
HDR is the key.
Oh I don’t have Windows. But I’ll look into the HDR stuff, I usually leave it off.
Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them
It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?
I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot
